And the next prime Minister will be………

sharon103

Zoejory

I don't adore Boris. But I'll carry on calling him Boris if that's OK with you.

I'm well aware he's not my friend but he's been Boris for decades

Well said lol

He's actually 'Al' to his friends...

'Boris' is as false as the rest of him...

The main fear is that Labour will taunt him for being rich and therefore not understand ordinary peoples lives.

I think that the Labour front bench will have far more to work on than the fact that Rishi is rich...

Anniel

Mamie I can confirm that members do get a vote. There was info on Conservative Home and members can vote from 25th to 28th of October once MPs vote on a short list. I expect Rishi will win. At least he would buy his own wallpaper! The main fear is that Labour will taunt him for being rich and therefore not understand ordinary peoples lives. They had better not keep up that line of attack before they descend into racism. His family worked hard and he had a very good education. His wealth originates from his wife.
Will Labour zealots here ever discuss why Labour has never produced a female PM and why so few black Labour politicians get senior shadow ministerial roles? No Conservative is happy with the current situation and MPs these days have hardly ever had ordinary jobs before they entered the H of C. Most were political activists or advisors and many were ex Councillors who have made that job a stepping stone into national politics. Personally, I think Rishi is a safe pair of hands but I guess Bef Rigby and the other leading MSM will make every effort to destroy any politician they do not like.

A bit misleading Anniel. My understanding is that members will not necessarily have a vote. If only one candidate has more than 100 votes, or has more than half the total number of votes in round 1 they will be elected leader and PM immediately without a member vote. That could well happen. If it doesn’t, the party will remain disunited, and public opinion of them will plummet even further.

Zoejory

I don't adore Boris. But I'll carry on calling him Boris if that's OK with you.

I'm well aware he's not my friend but he's been Boris for decades

Well said lol

What infuriates me is that people - whether MPs or members of the public - are still saying that Johnson should come back because "he got the big decisions right."

What big decisions? A Parliamentary enquiry found that the delay in imposing an early lockdown caused thousands of unnecessary deaths, and they described it as one of the biggest mistakes in UK public health care. They also criticised the failure to protect the social care system, which resulted in many deaths amongst the most vulnerable, and the decision to stop widespread testing early in the pandemic. Of course, Johnson's original idea was that we would "take it on the chin" and rely on herd immunity. It was only when he realised that the NHS was going to be overwhelmed that he changed his mind. No wonder we ended up with the second highest death toll in Europe.

Now we might have this genius back in charge?

I agree that use of his forst name is part of his general manipulation. I always call him Johnson or twat, either is fine with me.

I don't adore Boris. But I'll carry on calling him Boris if that's OK with you.

I'm well aware he's not my friend but he's been Boris for decades

Just a point; I know some people are blinded by their adoration of the liar, cheat, philanderer......but stop calling him Boris. He is not your friend. He despises you.

I don't think we will end up with Johnson as PM; he will only stand if he is guaranteed a win. This thread has been an interesting read.

Mamie I can confirm that members do get a vote. There was info on Conservative Home and members can vote from 25th to 28th of October once MPs vote on a short list. I expect Rishi will win. At least he would buy his own wallpaper! The main fear is that Labour will taunt him for being rich and therefore not understand ordinary peoples lives. They had better not keep up that line of attack before they descend into racism. His family worked hard and he had a very good education. His wealth originates from his wife.
Will Labour zealots here ever discuss why Labour has never produced a female PM and why so few black Labour politicians get senior shadow ministerial roles? No Conservative is happy with the current situation and MPs these days have hardly ever had ordinary jobs before they entered the H of C. Most were political activists or advisors and many were ex Councillors who have made that job a stepping stone into national politics. Personally, I think Rishi is a safe pair of hands but I guess Bef Rigby and the other leading MSM will make every effort to destroy any politician they do not like.

Dickens

DaisyAnne

I am with those who cannot believe that others think the trickle-down theory will work. In fact, I don't think they do. What I think they believe in is masters and slaves. They think the slaves will be grateful for what they are "given" if the masters are allowed the riches of the world. And, of course, they think they are part of the "master" group.

I'm pre-occupied with the mind-set of the electorate, particularly that section of it that is impoverished yet consistently votes for a party that increases such impoverishment. There appear to be, in the main, two divergent groups.

One group appears to believe that the 'rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate' is the natural order of things, and that any attempt to interfere with the 'rich' man is asking for trouble because he will up sticks and take his wealth - the trickle-down from which the poor man relies - and find another castle in a more lucrative location.

Then there are John Steinbeck's 'temporarily-embarrassed-millionaires', who think the wealth is there for the taking but the only reason they can't get at it is because of those blasted individuals who insist on a more equitable society for everyone.

There's quite a lot of references to "magic money trees" from both groups, but neither appear to understand how an economy functions, or why it functions the way it does.

It's all a bit depressing.

Completely agree Dickens. Could I also add the group who are so busy concerning themselves with whether others are getting more than them/than they 'deserve', that they can't see what is being done. We read this every blinking day on GN, those who make snide comments about people at foodbanks with 'the latest mobile phones and flatscreen tv'. People who punch down when they should punch up. Nicely targeted articles about 'benefit cheats' in the usual newspapers rags, whip it all up and people not only believe it, they vote based upon what they have read.

I hardly think that will happen Saggi
At least this time there is only one week to wait for the result.
I imagine Rishi Sunak will win, but after the recent goings on, anything could happen.
My son thinks that Boris Johnson will win, then go on to win the next election, that is his prediction.

Grannynannywanny, you are so right but it would be so wrong to have Boris back as PM. Lunacy!

Who cares…..bring on a general election!

No interest in how the next PM is chosen. The result will be the same.... another self-serving Tory. We desperately need to see some competence and compassion in government.

Allsorts

Who knows. It’s been truly awful. She got in wrong, has done the right thing but left chaos, She hadn’t a chance, she took on a dreadful task, trusted her friend KK foolishly, didn’t handle it well, I have written to the house and MP saying she was not fit for the job. Yet I hate bullies, this has been bullying. One thing I won’t forget, long after she’s history, is Keir Starmer, his constant harassment, it has been brutal, first against Boris with partygate, he did the same against LizTruss, he did it with that sanctimonious monotone voice saying he’s ready to be leader, when did he ever have a thought of his own, since being opposition leader he hasn’t had a policy off his own. Anyone is better than him, we don’t need a general election, there will be a change in government, there has to, it can’t be a one party race as it’s been. At least Boris loved this country. Keir has shown along with Angela this country is way down their list on their list of priorities. They will do what labour always do, borrow up to the hilt, then when there’s no way out leave it to conservative to pick up the pieces by not fighting the election like last time. I am not conservative, yet definitely not labour because they are incompetent even without Covid. I go for the policies, not slavishly follow a political party if I don’t agree with their values. The last thing the country needs is a General Election. If there is I shall accept all the sweeteners Labour hand out on a pay later basis. .

Bloody hell.

We still can’t find ours!!! Gone missing for yonks!!!

It will be the back stabber Sunak it's a done deal he wouldn't have declared he was standing and take the chance he would lose again, especially lose to Boris. Race over, game set and match he finally got what he wanted to be PM ?

Me too daisymae

Whoever it is, someone will take a dislike, usually from the media or financial sector, and it will be all over. Again.

We won't get a general election, that's entirely the gift of the government...unless street protests become revolutionary...which I doubt. Even Gary of Gary's Economics (the left wing millionaire who campaigns for higher taxes for the rich) is not pleased that Truss has gone because now we have worse. She might have spent too much but she wasn't for austerity. She would have reigned in the tax cuts to the rich. What we need is higher taxes for the very rich and no-one not even Labour are for that.

Christmas rolls around every year, regardless of anything else that is happening.

I don't see what the "worry" is about it.

Jennifer Eccles I struggle to imagine what you think the 'horrors of a Labour government' could be worse than THIS horror? Isn't it time that the party that is not backed by big business and the brain-washing newspapers should have a chance?

Trickle down is clearly nonsense from all the academic studies. It's peddled by the Right to fog the voters. The financial markets are clearly worried about a Johnson come back. If the Tories choose him they will be responsible for increased mortgage costs, a weaker pound, pension fund risks and more. Sunak is economically competent. Our best hope is that Tory MPs do not support Johnson's bid to be on the ballot otherwise there is a real possibility that geriatric, muddle-headed or stupid Tory party members will elect Johnson in which case God help us all. I would prefer a General Election.

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I just cannot believe that the same MPs who ousted Boris are now suggesting that he comes back.

It does beggar belief - or does it?

When your job depends entirely on your party staying in power and the man you initially thought was going to destroy it but turns out to be popular among the voters and party members (or sufficient numbers of them)... well, you know - a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do...

When under threat of extinction, the Tory party will rally and unite, under the guise, naturally, of doing what is "right for our country" and there will be lots of "delivering" of this, that and the other.

Oh!, poor things; those "difficult decisions" that will have to be taken to stabilise the economy (none of which of course will financially impact those that make them).

That's strange, Theoddbird. Johnson called a GE for December in 2019 and got a landslide victory....

Hey, Allsorts! - the leader of the opposition is SUPPOSED to harass the PM! Being Prime Minister is not for the faint-hearted and if anyone bullied Truss it was her own cronies. It was SHE who let down Kwarteng, not the other way around - she set him up to fall by saying one of the decisions was his alone. When I heard that, on Sunday 2nd on the BBC I knew his card was marked. And just HOW MUCH OF A MESS do the Tories have to make before we give Labour a chance? As for Boris loving his country - come on! Boris loves only Boris, and it makes me, quite frankly, terrified to hear that people are still taken in by this narcissistic poser that got us in this mess in the first place by lying and getting rid of all the able people that might not support him. A General Election is the only fair way forward -if this unbelievable shower of s* does not convince everyone, how bad does it have to get?!