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Boris Johnson - a warning from history

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MawtheMerrier Fri 21-Oct-22 09:01:43

I was derided just a little when I suggested that there had been a “cunning plan” aka conspiracy to elect the worst possible Tory leader (known as Truss) to be such a disaster that Johnson would look good by comparison and the party faithful would beg him to come back.
Even in these hallowed halls of Gransnet I have seen, but will not name and shame, some who inclined towards this view and lo! it is come to pass that BJ is indeed trying to get 100 MPs to back his candidature.
I have never been more depressed. The inevitable consequence of the last 6 weeks should be a GE but slippery BJ has wriggled out of situations before.
This is not the jolly buffoon with the rumpled hair that Nadine Dorries clearly wishes to ruffle further, the bumbling giant with his shirt needing tucking in.
Don’t be fooled.

Yammy Fri 21-Oct-22 10:06:23

After watching his equally slippery sister on Question time last night, I wouldn't be in the least surprised if there were a plan to bring him back all along. If they do I will never consider the party a voting option again.
There is something going on in the conservative party that the public doesn't know about, but if they want a Labour landslide at the next election they should carry on just the way they appear to be.

luluaugust Fri 21-Oct-22 10:03:14

I am going to have to confess to watching a bit of Nigel Farage on GBN last night and he asked his audience who would like Boris back, I think much to his surprise very few wanted him back. Lots of people talk about him as if he is a naughty boy but I don't think it necessarily means they want him running the country (or not) again.

OnwardandUpward Fri 21-Oct-22 10:02:39

When has it EVER been a good choice to go backwards? And more than that, when has it EVER been a good choice to go back to something that didn't work?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results. This country needs HELP.

MaizieD Fri 21-Oct-22 10:02:05

JenniferEccles

No wonder Labour is clamouring loudly for a general election.
A certain B. Johnson Esq. back as PM would be their worst nightmare.

Most of the country appears to be clamouring for a GE, JenniferEccles.

Most of them are sane people with more than half a brain and a strong moral compass.

Oldnproud Fri 21-Oct-22 10:00:17

I agree with Maw on this.

As I said elsewhere, I can't think of any credible theory other than the 'conspiracy' one that would have resulted in Truss, an MP who I have never heard one single person in the past have a good word for, who many people at best considered a laughing stock, making it through to the final two in the leadership elections, let alone then be chosen by the membership as the new PM.

It was quite clear that she would be a disaster. You didn't have to be a political expert to see that. IMO there had/has to be a hidden agenda. Whether that was to pave the way for Johnson's return, or something even more sinister, I don't know, and still remains to be seen ...

MaizieD Fri 21-Oct-22 09:59:49

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

Boris is very popular with most of the electorate

I think you'll find that you are, once again, deluding yourself Ug.

There have been numerous Conservative MP’s on various news items over the last 18 hours saying that their inboxes are full of support from constituents for Mr,Johnson.

As unpalatable as it is for some, there are people on the street who still see BJ as one of them he appeals to those on the fringes of politics due to his one of the blokes persona.

Johnson wasn't even 'popular with most of the electorate' at the 2019 general election. More people voted against him than for him.

(and please, don't anybody tell me that tories won more seats. Seats are not electors, people are)

Razzamatazz Fri 21-Oct-22 09:59:16

I hope Boris watched Question Time last night, the audience were vocal about his resurrection.

JenniferEccles Fri 21-Oct-22 09:59:10

No wonder Labour is clamouring loudly for a general election.
A certain B. Johnson Esq. back as PM would be their worst nightmare.

dragonfly46 Fri 21-Oct-22 09:58:49

On his way back Jane

JaneJudge Fri 21-Oct-22 09:56:07

he is on holiday too, isn't he?

25Avalon Fri 21-Oct-22 09:55:56

I don’t think Boris planned it exactly as it worked out but he is an opportunist and it certainly looks like he’s about to seize the opportunity. There do seem to be more of the electorate iIn favour of him than other Tories but the polls aren’t always right. Whatever this is the last chance saloon.

dragonfly46 Fri 21-Oct-22 09:52:50

They are showing on Twitter how MPs are voting and it would appear that Boris so far has the majority.

So so depressing.

Urmstongran Fri 21-Oct-22 09:47:42

growstuff

*Boris is very popular with most of the electorate*

No, he isn't, but "most of the electorate" won't get a say.

They will, at the next GE.
Which could well be Sunak -v- Starmer. Now that might be a close call in two years.

Witzend Fri 21-Oct-22 09:43:14

I very much doubt that there was any conspiracy. IMO it was much more likely to be the cutting-taxes agenda they voted for. Dbro knows one party member - not the ‘retired colonel’ type but a tradesman - who told him he voted for Truss because he liked her figure! You couldn’t make it up.

Since Sunak got 43% of the party member vote (IIRC) I don’t believe either that it was a case of all-pervasive racism, as has been suggested more than once.

Blossoming Fri 21-Oct-22 09:43:03

Private Eye has it right.

Lovetopaint037 Fri 21-Oct-22 09:42:01

Been banging on about this for weeks. He supported Truss for no other reason than he knew she would mess up and there would be cries of misgivings over having got rid of him. There is no end to his ego trips. Also is he still to face an investigation about him misleading Parliament. Just when we think it can’t get worse the prospect of him standing against Sunak makes me sick to the stomach. Saw a Daily Mail headline suggesting that but the editor is awaiting a peerage from Johnson! How I hate that paper.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 21-Oct-22 09:34:54

JaneJudge

I actually agree with you. He's one of the lads, salt of the earth according to a lot of men I work with who aren't particularly bright and the reason they believe this rubbish is because of what is printed in the sun newspaper

Definitely the press have an influence on some.

We also know some extremely wealthy folks, who couldn’t stomach a Labour Government and would vote for Mr,Johnson as they see him as the only candidate to stand up to Mr.Starmer and thereby the Conservatives would not suffer a total wipe out in the next election.

There is nowt as strange as folk

J52 Fri 21-Oct-22 09:33:37

Graph

J52 Fri 21-Oct-22 09:33:01

It’s beyond depressing that we are forced into this situation. It really is about time we reformed our electoral processes.
This graph is from the BBC news.

JaneJudge Fri 21-Oct-22 09:31:25

sorry my reply was to grannygravy13, it took out the quoted post for some reason

JaneJudge Fri 21-Oct-22 09:30:47

I actually agree with you. He's one of the lads, salt of the earth according to a lot of men I work with who aren't particularly bright and the reason they believe this rubbish is because of what is printed in the sun newspaper

RichmondPark1 Fri 21-Oct-22 09:30:27

When Johnson said 'Hasta la vista' he meant it didn't he? Even if he's never meant anything else he's ever said.

I overheard a man in the pub last night saying that he'd vote for Johnson and the Tories as the economy is in a mess. Someone pointed out that if the economy is in the mess then it's not Labour's fault as they've not been in power for 12 years. His answer was, 'Yeah, but Labour are the elite.'

If people really think like that then who knows what can happen.

LizzieDrip Fri 21-Oct-22 09:25:57

The polls this morning show much higher support for Boris than Rishi Sunak.

Where are these polls please? Who is presenting them?

growstuff Fri 21-Oct-22 09:22:42

Boris is very popular with most of the electorate

No, he isn't, but "most of the electorate" won't get a say.

Urmstongran Fri 21-Oct-22 09:21:14

The polls this morning show much higher support for Boris than Rishi Sunak.
That’s if we believe what the pollsters tell us.