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So it is going to be Sunak

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Esspee Mon 24-Oct-22 14:03:53

193-26

Let’s hope we get some stability.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 25-Oct-22 15:57:31

Oliver Dowden - Home Secretary?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 25-Oct-22 15:58:23

I wish what’s-his-name would stop sniffing!!

MayBee70 Tue 25-Oct-22 16:00:35

Will all the ones leaving office get a huge pay off again?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 25-Oct-22 16:07:32

Nadime Zahawi - gone in

Grant Shapps - gone in

Raab DPM and justice secretary - confirmed.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 25-Oct-22 16:10:56

Bloody Braverman!???

westendgirl Tue 25-Oct-22 16:15:46

Oh no . I was hoping Braverman would be put to the back of the queue.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 25-Oct-22 16:20:30

She resigned because she had broken security!!

MayBee70 Tue 25-Oct-22 16:20:35

Zahawi. After the fool he made of himself over Johnson! Not Braverman? Well that shows what Rishi thinks about Rwanda then given her ‘vision’. Anything for Sharma and Tugendhat?

Normandygirl Tue 25-Oct-22 17:03:08

Zahawi - Still under investigation by HMRC, matter still " unresolved"
Braverman - still guilty of breaking ministerial code, still dreaming of Rwanda.
Raab - Nicknamed "the turnip" in Brussels, didn't understand the importance of the Dover/Calais crossing.
Shapps - Ran several "dodgy/scam" internet business's under several different pseudonyms [ Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath and Sabastion Fox . Blacklisted by google. Had second job whilst Mp and lied about it until forced to come clean by constituent Dean Archer.
Hunt - Brought the NHS to it's knees, even wrote a book on it. Despised by over 1.5 million overworked and underpaid NHS staff.
Looking like the Tory front bench is " business as usual" then.sad

HousePlantQueen Tue 25-Oct-22 18:12:06

I was prepared to give Sunak chance and was cheered by thr booting out of JRM. But Braverman........vile law breaking racist. So, business as usual then.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 25-Oct-22 18:15:46

Braverman has done it for me. Unbelievable!

Dreadful, dreadful woman.

25Avalon Tue 25-Oct-22 18:17:50

Sunak said he was going to fulfil the Conservative manifesto from when they won the 2019 election, so why the surprise at his cabinet appointments?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 25-Oct-22 18:20:25

This is a very right wing government, although I shouldn’t be surprised.m

LizzieDrip Tue 25-Oct-22 18:20:37

Yep, business as usual! Right wing Tory self-serving, elitist cabinet. Nothing new here!

Witzend Tue 25-Oct-22 18:23:50

Urmstongran

Mr Sunak told a BBC documentary in 2007 that he had friends across all social classes, before awkwardly admitting “well, not working class”.

That remark was referring to friends he made at Winchester School, so perhaps not surprising if WC friends were lacking there.
(That is, if it’s the same interview I saw the other day.)

Farzanah Tue 25-Oct-22 20:56:54

Did anyone see the brilliant Marsh family’s clever parody sea shanty adaptation on YouTube about Braverman when she left? Pity she’s back again. “Braverman Shanty”.

Wyllow3 Wed 26-Oct-22 10:39:14

Yes, totally fab, here it is if you missed it. (I'm a big Marsh family fan!)but there are TWO

One when she went, one now she is back!

Just 11 hours old

do enjoy both.

1. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDYj9TLq9Qg

2. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqWeSZsVjKE

Farzanah Wed 26-Oct-22 13:49:49

Thanks for that Wyllow can’t do links on my iPad. I didn’t know they’d done another.

Normandygirl Thu 27-Oct-22 00:35:34

I appreciate that there has been a feeling of hope and relief that Truss and Johnson are gone, but Sunak is not the answer to the problem, he is part of the problem. Sunak brought back Braverman as part of a "grubby deal" deal to get him the nomination. If you have the idea that Sunak has some sort of integrity, "good sense", etc then you haven't looked at his ACTUAL record in office, his professed ideology, the rhetoric used in his last leadership bid, his involvement in Partygate and his lack of transparency about his wealth and tax affairs. He's rotten, the Party he leads is rotten, the political and economic consensus he helps prop up is rotten. Austerity has failed, and this rot has been setting in since the 2008 crash. I suppose that illusions are by their nature sweet but we can't afford to be this naive - our communities, public services and some people's lives depend on getting rid of the Tories, as well as understanding what they are and what they are doing. That's not necessarily hate and bile, it's clarity and seeing our situation as how it is, not how we may like it to be

Dickens Thu 27-Oct-22 00:51:37

DaisyAnne

MayBee70

Did anyone hear the interview with someone in a red wall constituency who said he didn’t like Rishi because he was rich. The interviewer pointed out that Johnson was rich too but it seems he’s different. I can’t remember what his reasoning was confused

I think he said that Johnson was a man of the people MayBee. You have to wonder what people.

Those who think Johnson is a "man of the people" haven't read his comments on 'blue collar' workers - or their counterparts 'white collar' workers, although the comments were made about men in general in relation to the 'proliferation' of single mothers.

Johnson moralising about other men's behaviour with women is a bit hard to take seriously.

DaisyAnne Thu 27-Oct-22 09:02:09

Normandygirl

I appreciate that there has been a feeling of hope and relief that Truss and Johnson are gone, but Sunak is not the answer to the problem, he is part of the problem. Sunak brought back Braverman as part of a "grubby deal" deal to get him the nomination. If you have the idea that Sunak has some sort of integrity, "good sense", etc then you haven't looked at his ACTUAL record in office, his professed ideology, the rhetoric used in his last leadership bid, his involvement in Partygate and his lack of transparency about his wealth and tax affairs. He's rotten, the Party he leads is rotten, the political and economic consensus he helps prop up is rotten. Austerity has failed, and this rot has been setting in since the 2008 crash. I suppose that illusions are by their nature sweet but we can't afford to be this naive - our communities, public services and some people's lives depend on getting rid of the Tories, as well as understanding what they are and what they are doing. That's not necessarily hate and bile, it's clarity and seeing our situation as how it is, not how we may like it to be

He may not be the ultimate answer Normandygirl, but working towards normalising government away from personality politics may be a step along the way. I hope so.

He believes in what he is doing, just as much as the Labour Party leadership believes in what they are doing. They all "play" the politics game.

Braverman will go. Not soon enough but she will go. And that will be a step towards better government which, from my perspective, would include ridding ourselves of a very far-right government. But others will see "better government" differently. I don't believe I can object to that as long as they are led by the facts and not by the fiction that can come from both sides at times.

Normandygirl Thu 27-Oct-22 09:56:56

DaisyAnne

Normandygirl

I appreciate that there has been a feeling of hope and relief that Truss and Johnson are gone, but Sunak is not the answer to the problem, he is part of the problem. Sunak brought back Braverman as part of a "grubby deal" deal to get him the nomination. If you have the idea that Sunak has some sort of integrity, "good sense", etc then you haven't looked at his ACTUAL record in office, his professed ideology, the rhetoric used in his last leadership bid, his involvement in Partygate and his lack of transparency about his wealth and tax affairs. He's rotten, the Party he leads is rotten, the political and economic consensus he helps prop up is rotten. Austerity has failed, and this rot has been setting in since the 2008 crash. I suppose that illusions are by their nature sweet but we can't afford to be this naive - our communities, public services and some people's lives depend on getting rid of the Tories, as well as understanding what they are and what they are doing. That's not necessarily hate and bile, it's clarity and seeing our situation as how it is, not how we may like it to be

He may not be the ultimate answer Normandygirl, but working towards normalising government away from personality politics may be a step along the way. I hope so.

He believes in what he is doing, just as much as the Labour Party leadership believes in what they are doing. They all "play" the politics game.

Braverman will go. Not soon enough but she will go. And that will be a step towards better government which, from my perspective, would include ridding ourselves of a very far-right government. But others will see "better government" differently. I don't believe I can object to that as long as they are led by the facts and not by the fiction that can come from both sides at times.

Appointing Braverman is not the way to move away from personality politics, it's the opposite of that. In fact Sunak seems to have appointed several "personalities" into the cabinet , none of them with a reputation for "integrity, accountability and responsibility" that he promised.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 27-Oct-22 12:29:48

?? love this

Callistemon21 Thu 27-Oct-22 12:34:46

Braverman will go. Not soon enough but she will go

I think so too.

Luckygirl3 Thu 27-Oct-22 14:12:48

We can only hope ..... the problem is that available replacements have nothing whatever to recommend them. What a shambles.