Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

She is a disgrace of a Home Secretary. Her rhetoric is inflammatory and will contribute to violence against refugees. Sunak should sack Braverman now and move on.

Oh dear - she is obviously attracted to secret societies and minority sects.

Economic migrants might not fit into the categories of people whom we are legally obliged to welcome, but I do not think they should be painted as criminals. Many Brits went to the US for just that reason - they were simply doing what they saw as best for their families.

Yes, excellent post Lucky.

As for Buddhism and Braverman:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/15/new-attorney-general-suella-braverman-in-controversial-buddhist-sect

Luckygirl3

There is a very interesting thread on Mumsnet in which an immigration barrister is inviting people to "Ask Me Anything". www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4666822-im-an-immigration-lawyer-ama?page=2&reply=121161224

One of the things that is clear is that we are not being invaded, but in fact taking fewer refugees per 100,000 head of population than many other countries. She also explains why many choose to come to UK, and the ability to speak some English is high on that list.

I am sickened by Braverman who is the child of two immigrants and benefitted enormously from our kindness and generosity. Not only that, she is a Buddhist for goodness sake - where are the kindness and gentleness that we associate with that particular religion?

Sunak did a dirty deal with her to get his top job and his premiership will forever be tainted by this.

This government is shameful.

Thank you for your eloquence all above.

This is what sticks out, "One of the things that is clear is that we are not being invaded, but in fact taking fewer refugees per 100,000 head of population than many other countries. She also explains why many choose to come to UK, and the ability to speak some English is high on that list.

appalled by the word invasion

frankly its fascist to my mind

echoes what was said by dictators in the past

appeals to the worse in human nature, whips up fear.

If we process people faster, then the undoubted number of economic migrants inevitably in the mix can be better sorted out!

We left the EU as we were assured (ha ha) it would tackle "immigration", its made no difference, and the only way forward is to deal with it as an international situation not little fortress UK trying to "ward off" those we are encouraged to fear.

anode course we have to tackle the gangs internationally, again, with a "work with" not "fortress UK" POV.

Wow Lucky, she claims to be a Buddhist? I didn't know that.
What a mess.

Whitewavemark2

There is neither “illegal immigrants” nor is there an invasion.

What there is, -

People fleeing from war, famine and torture and arriving on our shores BY WHICHEVER ROUTE seeking asylum under the UN 1967 protocol, which all countries are signed up to.
It is an international agreement and law.

These people are legally entitled to seek asylum in their chosen country, which in this case happens to be the U.K.

Now if the government had acted with intelligence and empathy, it would have taken control of the situation from the beginning, instead of all the “othering” and nonsense rhetoric aimed at the unthinking.

Set up centres as offered by France and in France, providing sufficient staff etc.
Ensure all that asylum seekers who arrive on our shores by any other route are swiftly and sensibly appraised, giving sanctuary to refugees and returning those simply migrating for economic purposes, - although remember that is exactly why most of the those in the government of immigrant parentage arrived in the U.K.

None of this has happened and as a result the Tories are doing what they do best which is to waste tax payers money by forking out for hotel bills plus payments etc to the asylum seekers.

It is incompetence purely and simply.

However much those amongst us want all immigration to cease

It won’t. - ever. In fact it will almost certainly increase as war and climate change continues its ceaseless onslaught on the human race.

Unless we, as a country face this fact we will continue with the lies, rhetoric, and division alongside the appalling treatment of human beings, and never get control.

Exactly my opinion too. Well said WWM2.

Urmstongran

Would those on here be willing to accept there are ‘economic migrants’? Not all these men are fleeing war torn countries! That much we do know. Many Albanian men are coming over here to pursue nefarious lifestyle choices as has been verified by UK Border Force officials.

Yes I am willing to accept that approx 10% of those arriving on our shores are economic migrants. And will be returned from whence they came.

However your chosen language of “many Albanian men” “ nefarious lifestyles” and “all these men” bears no relationship to reality.

That is where you are allowing the rhetoric of people like Braverman to influence your thinking, rather than thinking more critically.

There is a very interesting thread on Mumsnet in which an immigration barrister is inviting people to "Ask Me Anything". www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4666822-im-an-immigration-lawyer-ama?page=2&reply=121161224

One of the things that is clear is that we are not being invaded, but in fact taking fewer refugees per 100,000 head of population than many other countries. She also explains why many choose to come to UK, and the ability to speak some English is high on that list.

I am sickened by Braverman who is the child of two immigrants and benefitted enormously from our kindness and generosity. Not only that, she is a Buddhist for goodness sake - where are the kindness and gentleness that we associate with that particular religion?

Sunak did a dirty deal with her to get his top job and his premiership will forever be tainted by this.

This government is shameful.

Urmstongran

But MaizieD surely when there were less thousands of migrants arriving daily in their rubber dinghies (the sizes of which have grown exponentially to accommodate the demand) it was easier back in the day to deal with all the necessary paperwork and checks? Now the numbers have increased (verified by numerous sources if you Google) the very least we need is so many more personnel to deal with their applications.

This whole situation is a shambles. The Times article confirms this situation is costing the UK taxpayers £7 million a DAY Lucca.

This cannot and should not be thought an acceptable way of spending our money. I’m horrified by the gross sums of money involved especially as Sunak announces today big increases in taxation is planned.

Quite honestly, I think your post displays the lack of joined up thinking and willingness to be manipulated that seems to have informed your Leave vote, Ug.

I'll leave others to put you right because it's too early in the morning for me to get anything but grumpy... (I am most definitely not a morning person)

An taxation doesn't fund spending...

Maybe someone knows the numbers better than me, but isn't the reason that more people are using the dinghies is that other legal routes of arrival have been blocked by the government?

Roger Gale has been a welcome voice as a ‘Tory grandee’, honest enough to challenge the way his party is mismanaging this dreadful situation.
There is a difference between people fleeing war, famine or torture and the few who are involved in criminal gangs. It’s surely not impossible to make decisions early and ensure women, children and families are kept safe.

volver

Urmstongran

Would those on here be willing to accept there are ‘economic migrants’? Not all these men are fleeing war torn countries! That much we do know. Many Albanian men are coming over here to pursue nefarious lifestyle choices as has been verified by UK Border Force officials.

So? Does that justify making families live in overcrowded conditions where there are outbreaks of deadly diseases?

Not just overcrowded conditions but illegally detained there apparently. UK law apparently stipulates that they should only be there for 24 hours.

You are precisely the voter that Braverman is targeting, Ug. There are solutions available but they would involve the 'problem' fading into the background, which doesn't suit the tory agenda at all.

Good posts WWM and MaizieD. I emailed Roger Gale to applaud him as the voice of compassion and integrity. I said that he might feel somewhat alone in his party just now. He thanked me, but didn't respond to my second comment..

But MaizieD surely when there were less thousands of migrants arriving daily in their rubber dinghies (the sizes of which have grown exponentially to accommodate the demand) it was easier back in the day to deal with all the necessary paperwork and checks? Now the numbers have increased (verified by numerous sources if you Google) the very least we need is so many more personnel to deal with their applications.

This whole situation is a shambles. The Times article confirms this situation is costing the UK taxpayers £7 million a DAY Lucca.

This cannot and should not be thought an acceptable way of spending our money. I’m horrified by the gross sums of money involved especially as Sunak announces today big increases in taxation is planned.

Good post MaizieD

Yes. But the point is if the processing were done competently then many economic migrants would not get in.

Urmstongran

Would those on here be willing to accept there are ‘economic migrants’? Not all these men are fleeing war torn countries! That much we do know. Many Albanian men are coming over here to pursue nefarious lifestyle choices as has been verified by UK Border Force officials.

So? Does that justify making families live in overcrowded conditions where there are outbreaks of deadly diseases?

Would those on here be willing to accept there are ‘economic migrants’? Not all these men are fleeing war torn countries! That much we do know. Many Albanian men are coming over here to pursue nefarious lifestyle choices as has been verified by UK Border Force officials.

From the Times

In case anyone agrees with Braverman that the UK is being subject to an 'invasion' of what she (disgustingly) calls 'illegal migrants', they should understand that the numbers of refugees/asylum seekers coming to the UK have changed very little over the past 20 years.

What has happened is that the rate at which their applications for asylum are dealt with has slowed considerably over the past decade. As can be seen very clearly in the graphic. Tory cutbacks in public spending have resulted in a Home Office which is completely ineffective and inefficient.

This will never be sorted while they remain in office. It's even suggested that Braverman is deliberately exacerbating the problem in order to keep the racist anti-immigration voters close to the tory party...

Good post WWM

There is neither “illegal immigrants” nor is there an invasion.

What there is, -

People fleeing from war, famine and torture and arriving on our shores BY WHICHEVER ROUTE seeking asylum under the UN 1967 protocol, which all countries are signed up to.
It is an international agreement and law.

These people are legally entitled to seek asylum in their chosen country, which in this case happens to be the U.K.

Now if the government had acted with intelligence and empathy, it would have taken control of the situation from the beginning, instead of all the “othering” and nonsense rhetoric aimed at the unthinking.

Set up centres as offered by France and in France, providing sufficient staff etc.
Ensure all that asylum seekers who arrive on our shores by any other route are swiftly and sensibly appraised, giving sanctuary to refugees and returning those simply migrating for economic purposes, - although remember that is exactly why most of the those in the government of immigrant parentage arrived in the U.K.

None of this has happened and as a result the Tories are doing what they do best which is to waste tax payers money by forking out for hotel bills plus payments etc to the asylum seekers.

It is incompetence purely and simply.

However much those amongst us want all immigration to cease

It won’t. - ever. In fact it will almost certainly increase as war and climate change continues its ceaseless onslaught on the human race.

Unless we, as a country face this fact we will continue with the lies, rhetoric, and division alongside the appalling treatment of human beings, and never get control.

Wyllow3

I hope she goes. She is a thoroughly nasty and manipulative person. From the BJ administration willing to break law, manipulate. she is seriously scary and her connections in the ERG I believe going to lead us into attitudes that do not care for those in greatest need, our own deprived, disabled and sick.

Yes, I do recognise there are massive problems but I don't want Braverman solutions.

She is openly appealing to the worst anti-immigration feelings in the public. the backlog of asylum seekers have been accruing for years and years of inadequate processing as well as the total lack of being able to fast forward those who come who are trained in the very skills we need in our work force.

Maybe she is useful to Sunak for a bit as she can be the convenient "baddie" to do the dirty work.

Listening to her today we could have been listening to pre-war comments about the Jews. The use of the word "invasion".

How can people not see what this group are or would they have supported such language, aimed at others, pre-war and during the war. Some had no alternative then but that is not the case now.

Suella Braverman is a barrister. She knows exactly how to use words. It's interesting that she said, today she "never ignored legal advice". That is not the same as following it.

www.facebook.com/watch?v=839640700563580