Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

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Is this any better?

OK, now I've read it it's an absolute f***ing disgrace.

I am going to guess it's written by the warden of similar of the residence, or at least someone pretending to be. Who in a position of responsibility, would seriously say to someone in sheltered housing, ring 999 if you see someone looking suspicious. Who tells them to tell their MP in these circumstances?

The lack of appropriate use of commas and lack of a coherent message tells me a lot about the person writing this letter.

It’s fromDover District Council’s Independent Living Manager (on their headed paper) the people receiving it, would in all probability be scared.

My concern is it should not be necessary to send it out in the first place.

Exactly! No way is that an official letter from the council. The writing style is illiterate. It's been written on council note paper, but is from some kind of warden manager with a fancy job title.

In my opinion it’s whipping up fear and adding fuel to the flames to what is already a situation far from controlled.

I have nothing but sympathy for people fleeing from violence and oppression, they need to be processed (I really dislike that explanation) PDQ, so that those folks with genuine claims can work and support themselves and those who are here for ulterior motives can be repatriated.

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GrannyGravy13

Is this any better?

OK, now I've read it it's an absolute f***ing disgrace.

I am going to guess it's written by the warden of similar of the residence, or at least someone pretending to be. Who in a position of responsibility, would seriously say to someone in sheltered housing, ring 999 if you see someone looking suspicious. Who tells them to tell their MP in these circumstances?

The lack of appropriate use of commas and lack of a coherent message tells me a lot about the person writing this letter.

It’s fromDover District Council’s Independent Living Manager (on their headed paper) the people receiving it, would in all probability be scared.

My concern is it should not be necessary to send it out in the first place.

Exactly! No way is that an official letter from the council. The writing style is illiterate. It's been written on council note paper, but is from some kind of warden manager with a fancy job title.

The failure to process these people in a timely manner is false economy. 4000 people in a camp where are they going to put them all.
Allowing people to work seems the obvious answer but do the majority have the funds to find themselves accommodation as they look for work. Social housing is in short supply already even for uk residents rental in some areas is also short as well as expensive.

From my perspective, this letter would be a welcome warning if there had already been incidents with anyone trying to get into the house to steal items.Not sure why anyone is up in arms about it.
It certainly makes sense not to answer the door if you don’t know the person, and to answer it with the chain on.
Also to report any suspicious behaviour you see.

LizzieDrip

I agree WW The whole issue has been politicised when it’s actually about human rights - not right / left politics. If asylum claims were dealt with more speedily, those who are eligible to stay would be able to start contributing to society (we have hundreds of thousands of job vacancies); and those found not eligible could quickly be returned to their country of origin. No need for long term residence in detention centres or hotels. I wish both parties would work together on this - it’s about human rights, not party politics.

Absolutely spot on Lizzie. It’s pathetic that they can’t speed things up and allow those who are eligible to get on and work which I’ll bet the majority want to do. We desperately need both skilled and unskilled workers. Carers, hospital workers, hospitality staff.

I do not live in Kent, DaisyAnne

Whether or not I know the development is totally irrelevant.

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

Do you know the development GrannyGravy?

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GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

Exactly.

Not exactly helpful for the elderly, was it?

Maybe the author of that letter would be one public sector worker we could do without... (see the 'wages' thread)

GrannyGravy13

DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

Exactly.

Not exactly helpful for the elderly, was it?

DaisyAnne this was sent to people living in a council housing development. Mainly housing the elderly.

I think if I received this I would be permanently on edge and scared of every knock on the door.

The Conservatives have broken our asylum system. 89,000 people have now been waiting more than 6 months for a decision.

As we’re seeing at Manston, that causes untold misery and wastes a huge amount of money.

We need a fair, effective system that treats everyone with dignity.

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Is this any better?

OK, now I've read it it's an absolute f***ing disgrace.

I am going to guess it's written by the warden of similar of the residence, or at least someone pretending to be. Who in a position of responsibility, would seriously say to someone in sheltered housing, ring 999 if you see someone looking suspicious. Who tells them to tell their MP in these circumstances?

The lack of appropriate use of commas and lack of a coherent message tells me a lot about the person writing this letter.

It’s fromDover District Council’s Independent Living Manager (on their headed paper) the people receiving it, would in all probability be scared.

My concern is it should not be necessary to send it out in the first place.

And are they less scared now? Are they reassured that the place where they live is taking all necessary steps to keep them safe? Or are they scared witless and ready to be suspicious of anyone they see who they don't immediately recognise?

If my parent lived in these facilities and received a letter like this I'd be fuming.

GrannyGravy13

Is this any better?

What do you find wrong with the letter GrannyGravy?

Nannashirlz

Oh yes let’s all have a go at the lady that is going to stop the illegal immigrants coming here. While labour will open up our country and let them all in. And no I didn’t vote cons but anyone who can stop these ppl arriving in dinghies gets my vote.

"Lady"? I'm not sure she would appreciate that.

I assume you mean stopping asylum seekers. Nothing they have done has worked. Neither is there anything to show Labour "will open up our country and let them all in". You seem to deal in untruths. “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” You seem to be making them up to suit your own bias.

I am sure the "ppl" arriving in dinghies would like a legal route of access. How about backing someone who offers to put that in place? Both asylum seekers and economic migrants would almost certainly prefer that. That needs investment in real things like proper systems, sufficient people to process the applicants, a decent work permit system and negotiation with countries to which we may need to return people.

The problem is this government. It has moved so far to the right that suggesting it does such things is seen as "big government" even if its Trumpian "biglyness" would reduce once a proper system was running.

volver

GrannyGravy13

Is this any better?

OK, now I've read it it's an absolute f***ing disgrace.

I am going to guess it's written by the warden of similar of the residence, or at least someone pretending to be. Who in a position of responsibility, would seriously say to someone in sheltered housing, ring 999 if you see someone looking suspicious. Who tells them to tell their MP in these circumstances?

The lack of appropriate use of commas and lack of a coherent message tells me a lot about the person writing this letter.

It’s fromDover District Council’s Independent Living Manager (on their headed paper) the people receiving it, would in all probability be scared.

My concern is it should not be necessary to send it out in the first place.

I agree WW The whole issue has been politicised when it’s actually about human rights - not right / left politics. If asylum claims were dealt with more speedily, those who are eligible to stay would be able to start contributing to society (we have hundreds of thousands of job vacancies); and those found not eligible could quickly be returned to their country of origin. No need for long term residence in detention centres or hotels. I wish both parties would work together on this - it’s about human rights, not party politics.

GrannyGravy13

Is this any better?

OK, now I've read it it's an absolute f***ing disgrace.

I am going to guess it's written by the warden of similar of the residence, or at least someone pretending to be. Who in a position of responsibility, would seriously say to someone in sheltered housing, ring 999 if you see someone looking suspicious. Who tells them to tell their MP in these circumstances?

The lack of appropriate use of commas and lack of a coherent message tells me a lot about the person writing this letter.

Maudi wrote:

"Two dinghies with God knows who on board arrived on the Kent coast a few days ago and they disappeared into the countryside, I would have thought that anyone with any sense would think that they were a security risk not Suella Braverman who is trying to stop them."

Isn't the problem why and how she is trying to stop them?

Yes, thank you. 👍🏼

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Is this any better?

GrannyGravy13

I have no idea what the solution is but if I lived alone and was in the receipt of this letter I would be worried

Not too easy to read, too small. I seriously thought it said Bunny Corner.

The decision to stop moving these people on, was quite deliberate by Patel and now Braverman.

I have no idea what the solution is but if I lived alone and was in the receipt of this letter I would be worried

anyone who can stop these ppl arriving in dinghies gets my vote.

The actions of Braverman and her predecessor clearly haven’t ‘stopped’ anything so far, Nannashirlz. As I’m sure you’re aware, many of the people arriving here are genuinely fleeing from war zones e.g. Syria and Afghanistan and are seeking safety, on a human rights level. Are you suggesting that the UK denies them asylum?

Thanks for the Tony Ben post volver he was spot on with that.