Braverman's behaviour in parliament today proves nothing has changed.

I'm just astounded at how they've manged to clear 2,400 people out of Manston in the space of a week.

I rather think that the adverse publicity and vociferous condemnation was just a wee bit too much for Braverman to outface...

Jenrick sounded almost like a human being in the 15 minutes or so of the responses to the UQ that I saw...

HousePkantQueen, normal rules of engagement no longer matter to this government.

It is being reported that Braverman has failed to turn up today to the HoC to answer the Urgent Question on the Government's treatment if refugee children and overcrowding at Manston. Apart from anything else, this is hugely disrespectful to Parliament, surely there should be some kind of procedure for this?

The business model of the criminal traffickers would be totally destroyed if there were a legal route into the UK for legitimate asylum seekers.

They pay vast amounts of money to the smuggling gangs because they are basically criminals and wouldn't be allowed a visa.

Something I don't understand.

If Albanians only stay in the UK for a few months, why don't they just get a standard tourist visa?

www.ivisa.com/united-kingdom-blog/united-kingdom-standard-visitor-visa-for-citizens-of-albania

They wouldn't be allowed to work, but it sounds as though some of them have networks which arrange illegal work anyway. By the time they're caught, they could earn enough money to take back to Albania. If they're lucky, they might not be caught and could come back again the next year or the could overstay their visa and it would take ages for the authorities to find them.

Why do they pay smugglers thousands of pounds, when they could just get a visa and come to the UK on a plane or train/ferry?

DH and I were just watching the ITV news where they spoke about the "migration problem" That's lazy talk; there is a management problem, not a migration problem.

DH also pointed out that about 40,000 people have arrived by boat this year. Less than the number in a good football crowd. And we can't manage that? It's shameful.

No, if you look at figure 4, you’ll see that the numbers haven’t dramatically increased, what has changed is the method of arrival in the UK.

Oh dear! It is worse than I realised.
Just over 8 thousand arriving in 2020 and just over 28,000 arrived in 2021.

Where were your figures from Prentice?
www.gov.uk/government/statistics/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2022/irregular-migration-to-the-uk-year-ending-june-2022
This is the latest government bulletin which doesn’t bear out what you’ve said.

Volver you may enjoy deriding another poster’s comments but it is not my way at all.
If it were an easy problem to solve, then there would be no migrant problem.Undoubtedly the government has been lax, but the numbers arriving this last year have I think trebled.
The economic migrants from Albania will keep arriving because they know what they can earn here.Some say they have been deported several times but will always find a way back here.Since the numbers have been so great from Albania that is the first problem to tackle, but even so they can claim they are not safe in Albania and it takes time to assess their claims.I believe this migrant problem to be one of the more important things to solve for the government, as it is affecting many people in the South of England.

Maudi

If they were genuine asylum seekers fleeing war etc they would be happy to find a safe haven in the numerous EU countries they have passed through not pay large sums of money to the smuggling gangs to come here.

Yes I've personally seen the boats on the Kent beaches its a frightening sight I can tell you.

Why do you think the UK should not accept any of these people but it’s perfectly fine for those who want to come to the UK to be housed in, presumably the first European country they get to? Where is your sense of fair play? If they chartered large ships and arrived directly on the shores of the UK without passing through other countries what then?
Seeing migrant boats landing doesn’t count as direct experience by the way, working with and understanding the backgrounds and motivation of migrants does.

MaizieD

I am biting my tongue...

Good strategy. I should follow your example.

If they were genuine asylum seekers fleeing war etc they would be happy to find a safe haven in the numerous EU countries they have passed through not pay large sums of money to the smuggling gangs to come here.

Why is it that 80% ish of their claims are accepted then? If they are not "genuine" asylum seekers?

I am biting my tongue...

If they were genuine asylum seekers fleeing war etc they would be happy to find a safe haven in the numerous EU countries they have passed through not pay large sums of money to the smuggling gangs to come here.

Yes I've personally seen the boats on the Kent beaches its a frightening sight I can tell you.

Maudi

17:17Prentice

Thank you Prentice yes they have no solutions and don't like it when other posters challenge their views they are so used to the echo chamber on here with everyone agreeing with them. How sad perhaps they should get out in the real world and meet some normal people who are affected by the migrant crisis.

Maudi this is factually incorrect. Have you read the thread at all? If so, you would have seen solutions offered.
I’m interested to hear you have personal experience in the real world and have been directly involved with migrants yourself, would you like to offer us the benefit of your experience and tell us what you think the solution is for the genuine asylum seekers who are fleeing their own countries?

We have plenty solutions but you don't like them.

Divert money from the daft Rwanda scheme into processing claims quicker.

Open processing centres in France, as they were offered.

Admit how many people are coming across the channel and prepare for it, instead of blaming everybody else.

Admit that we take a lot less than our fair share of migrants.

How d'you like those solutions?

Prentice

Maudi you know that the opposing views are sagging badly when all they can offer are snide comments, and pointing out spelling errors in a sniggering childish way.
The problem is mainly Albanian economic migrants. Without them the numbers of migrants seeking asylum here would be still a large number but much easier to find places for.

Prentice if your theory about the problem being with Albanian migrants were correct, why have only 4% of the total number of migrants from all countries have been processed in the last year in your opinion? If it isn’t incompetence, what is it?

17:17Prentice

Thank you Prentice yes they have no solutions and don't like it when other posters challenge their views they are so used to the echo chamber on here with everyone agreeing with them. How sad perhaps they should get out in the real world and meet some normal people who are affected by the migrant crisis.

Prentice

Maudi you know that the opposing views are sagging badly when all they can offer are snide comments, and pointing out spelling errors in a sniggering childish way.
The problem is mainly Albanian economic migrants. Without them the numbers of migrants seeking asylum here would be still a large number but much easier to find places for.

Sorry Prentice, but that's rubbish.

If people have questions or misunderstandings about refugees and asylum seekers, and ask those questions, they can expect sensible answers.

If people witter on about 4* hotels and how the Albanians are spoiling it for everyone else, they can expect to be derided.

Maudi you know that the opposing views are sagging badly when all they can offer are snide comments, and pointing out spelling errors in a sniggering childish way.
The problem is mainly Albanian economic migrants. Without them the numbers of migrants seeking asylum here would be still a large number but much easier to find places for.

Fleurpepper

I'd love to meet you Maudi. You are impressive!

At least she's saving us from having to pay to read the Telegraph (as does UG}

Sorry, pressed post too soon:

Horrible. What you see is not at all what you get.

Never book this hotel.

not cleaned thoroughly. There were four spiders in the bathroom, cobwebs around all the windows and even cobwebs in the bedside drawer.

Rooms were poor, showers filthy, lightbulbs out in several lights in one room. No mattress covers and the carpet was dirty/ gritty under foot.

That's just the first four reviews.

This Stoke Rochford Hall?

(Trip advisor reviews)