Sunak says he’s not going to attend the Cop27 climate summit.

MaizieD

DaisyAnne

Are there enough of the far-right fascists in government, and their fellow travellers, to oust him, do you think Dickens?

I'm not Dickens, but I think there are enough to bring down his government if they feel inclined to do so. The government's majority is now, I believe, about 70. It only needs 35+ to vote against,say, the budget, and he's dead. I think that the ERG is about that number. They've been wagging the tory government's tails for ever; it was they who ultimately brought down Theresa May...

Indeed Maizie. If they voted against the budget that would be a vote of no confidence in the government, leading to an election? That would, indeed, be very bearable. I was really thinking/concerned about yet another change of PM (Johnson back?), but I would rather think about your suggestion.

Mr Sunak has faced criticism from opposition parties, environmental groups and some Conservatives, after No 10 said he was not expected to attend the summit.

Liberal Democrat climate spokeswoman Wera Hobhouse called for Mr Sunak to "immediately confirm his attendance", adding: "It shouldn't take Boris Johnson going to COP to embarrass Rishi Sunak into doing the right thing."

There are reports Mr Johnson, who attended the Glasgow summit when he was prime minister, could go to Egypt for this year's event.

Labour have accused Mr Sunak of a "failure of leadership" and Green Party MP Caroline Lucas said it was "absolutely so wrong" that Mr Sunak was not going, as the UK is still COP president, adding: "Symbols matter."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63454966

DaisyAnne

Are there enough of the far-right fascists in government, and their fellow travellers, to oust him, do you think Dickens?

I think they are a minority TBH. But they've all jumped into the boat and are drawing a lot of water.

I assume the more level-headed MPs will realise that attempting to oust Sunak before the ink from his signature is even dry could easily prompt more (and more vociferous) calls for a GE.

I'm still curious about whether Starmer did or didn't go into the Cabinet room. Maybe they were going to ask him if he fancied going to COP27?

DaisyAnne

Are there enough of the far-right fascists in government, and their fellow travellers, to oust him, do you think Dickens?

I'm not Dickens, but I think there are enough to bring down his government if they feel inclined to do so. The government's majority is now, I believe, about 70. It only needs 35+ to vote against,say, the budget, and he's dead. I think that the ERG is about that number. They've been wagging the tory government's tails for ever; it was they who ultimately brought down Theresa May...

Are there enough of the far-right fascists in government, and their fellow travellers, to oust him, do you think Dickens?

DaisyAnne

The second one of those is very interesting Dickens.

It looks like those on the Right of the party are "deeply unhappy" (media speak) with his Cabinet reshuffle, and the fact that with Johnson and Mordaunt withdrawing from the leadership race - there was no vote for Sunak.

So, more letters asking for a vote of 'no confidence' to the 1922 Committee it seems.

Goodness knows what effect this will have on the markets, and thus the economy.

David Maddox, political editor of the Express says, "Below the Cabinet, the reshuffle was more akin to Nightmare on Elm Street than Downing Street with a clear out of Brexiteers, the 2019 intake and many from the Tory right."

Whether this is a minority of members creating a storm in a teacup, who knows.

And why did Starmer go into the Cabinet office? If the report is true.

The second one of those is very interesting Dickens.

Thanks DaisyAnne

I don't know volver. It just came up on my twitter feed. I think I may be letting hope run away with me.

... and this

twitter.com/POLITlCSUK/status/1587051559011160064

???

twitter.com/ShreeveCarol/status/1587179550634655752

What does that imply Daisyanne?

Twitter - There’s reports that Keir Starmer has gone into the Cabinet Office. (not verified)

Dickens

Alie2Oxon

Well, here's the U-turn.....

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/31/rishi-sunak-cop27-prime-minister-sharm-el-sheikh

Do you think the fact that BJ planned to attend had anything to do with Sunak's impending U-Turn?

Oh, Dickens! Why on earth would you think that? 🤣🤣🤣

I think he is following the Johnson Method of leadership. Reactive every time...

Alie2Oxon

Well, here's the U-turn.....

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/31/rishi-sunak-cop27-prime-minister-sharm-el-sheikh

Do you think the fact that BJ planned to attend had anything to do with Sunak's impending U-Turn?

Well, here's the U-turn.....

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/31/rishi-sunak-cop27-prime-minister-sharm-el-sheikh

Greta has done a lot of good work worldwide with younger people. The COPs are working with the older and more entrenched in their beliefs...?

Pity she had to say that. The media will always rake up something to divide.

I am not taking sides. Both are doing something!

Greta's blah blah blah speech and the ditty you can stick your climate crisis up (rude word) was from last year. Long before Rishi was anything but a wannabe.

U-turn in sight.

Ha! 10 points to Gryffindor!

(In other words, I was right!)

MaizieD

I'm seeing hints on twitter this morning that Sunak is now saying that he might find a spare half hour to pop along to the conference...

Has anyone else heard this?

Not heard anything said in quite that way.

Prime Minister Rishi Sunak could still attend the COP27 climate summit if sufficient progress is made on preparations for the autumn Budget, Downing Street has said.

That seems reasonable to me. I bet it does to quite a few who's lives are not only about politics.

I've just been listening to her on the Jeremy Vine show. She giggles like a teenager. 🙂 Especially when Jeremy asks her a daft question.

The impatience of youth - and good for her.

Mind you the young have a lot to be impatient about.

I've got no window into Thunberg's mind but I expect she is fed up with people saying they'll do one thing then doing another.

For example, saying that the environment is really important but not taking the time to attend the world's biggest meeting on the subject.

Yes I can see exactly why Thunberg is scathing about the conference.

My issue is how on earth are we going to get the worlds nations to cooperate etc if they don’t have such meetings?