Sunak says he’s not going to attend the Cop27 climate summit.

biglouis

I believe Rishi is right. I am a great believer in putting your own house in order first.

And while he's putting our house in order the rose bushes are frazzled in the heat and the water is lapping at the front door.

It's a global problem, not a local party political matter!

I believe Rishi is right. I am a great believer in putting your own house in order first.

I disagree, it’s a rare opportunity for world leaders to get together, and it’s as much about the informal networking as about the formal agenda. By opting out Sunak is setting the UK apart from other nations and denying himself the chance to meet other key world figures. He would do far better to trust other minsters to carry out the key business at home for two days, after all he’s appointed them because they are capable- Jeremy Hunt is not going to blow up the economy in two days, is he?

I don't think his decision is wrong. I am glad that he is not chasing the photo opportunities and want our Prime Minister to concentrate on the dreadful state the country is in. I also think that many of these discussions are carried on by others, with ministers/Prime Ministers/Presidents just being briefed and making the final agreement.

However, that doesn't mean we should not show any less interest in green measures, and he could do a lot about that in the budget (or whatever they are calling this one). I do think there has been too much talk and too little action by all governments.

I gather a minister is going. I hope to hear he spends plenty of time being well briefed by her when she comes back.

MayBee70

I’ve now realised why Alok Sharma supported Johnson and I think I’m right in thinking he hasn’t got a ministerial position in Sunak’s cabinet. I think Sunak has made it clear how high on his agenda the environment is.

I thought about that too. Sharma, I believe, gave his support to Johnson on that basis... understandably.

And you're right, I believe, he doesn't now have a position in the cabinet. Truss re-appointed him, but now he's gone... still the President of COP26 I believe...

I'd like to see Charles go - he's pretty passionate and would show our commitment, but is it too much of a 'political' matter? And he said he'd row back on his previous 'interests' now. Which is a shame. Actually, I preferred him as a 'Prince' - but that's another issue.

(there - and here!)

That was for the people who don't believe that here is an elephant in the room....

The University of Reading has put its name on this:

showyourstripes.info/b/globe

...but then I suppose you don't believe them either?

Just saw this online. Thought it was apt.



twitter.com/LBC/status/1585965194307637248

Unfortunately the "advice" for Charles NOT to go, still stands.
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soldiersailor

I hate to tell you, but those three sources of 'facts' are very biased; I think you need to read other sources so that you can put those 'facts' into context.

At the moment you seem to be in an echo chamber; it might need to be broken open.

IMO Charles should go. He was into protecting the environment well before it became ‘fashionable’ - if I’m allowed to use such a word in this context - and I think on those grounds he commands a lot of international respect.

soldiersailor
I suppose, if your thoughts are aligned with The Global Warming Policy Foundation you are basically challenging man-made climate change?

Oh no, sorry. You can be as deluded as you like but nobody gets to diss Sir David.

And how many 'tripping points' has our king got into a lather about? All have come, all have gone.

40 years ago, the prediction was that once the Larsen B Ice Shelf went, and the bogs in Siberia started outgassing, we'd gone beyond the tipping point.

Guess what?

soldiersailor

Well... Mark Twain once said that the only thing more difficult than fooling someone is convincing them they HAVE been fooled!
I deal with facts, not hysteria. I'm glad the PM isn't going as he'll be wasting his time. All these COPs are full of arch hypocrites who jet in for a jamboree (to hell with the cost in CO2) make some fairly innocuous promises they'll never keep and tell the world 'Aren't we all wonderful?'

I don't trust any of these doom mongers who parrot about a crisis. I read about factual information on the GWPF, Not A Lot Of People Know That and I watch videos on Rumble by Tony Heller. Then you'll know it's nothing more than a sham because the more you scare people the more you can control them. If their case is so strong why do they stifle any attempt a debate? Why tell lies? Why distort facts? Why be selective in showing graphs.
Here's an example: We've all been shocked at wildfires in the USA and Oz. But they don't tell you that over TEN TIMES more land was burnt in the 1920s than in the last few years (Tony Heller checks newspapers from that time). And that's because they don't want you to know.

I certainly don't trust the BBC, the Guardian, George Monbiot (what a laugh he is!) or Davis Attenborough, all of whom have a poor track record in handling truth when it conflicts with their message.

Oh and lastly, not one, NO NOT ONE climate prediction by the warmists has come true over the last 40 years. And how many 'tripping points' has our king got into a lather about? All have come, all have gone.

So I don't worry for my grandchildren, they will be fine, and so will yours.

So please don't worry ladies - and don't be fooled.

Not true

The list of leaders who will not attend Cop27.

Sunak, Putin, Bolsonaro…

See the connection?

Well... Mark Twain once said that the only thing more difficult than fooling someone is convincing them they HAVE been fooled!
I deal with facts, not hysteria. I'm glad the PM isn't going as he'll be wasting his time. All these COPs are full of arch hypocrites who jet in for a jamboree (to hell with the cost in CO2) make some fairly innocuous promises they'll never keep and tell the world 'Aren't we all wonderful?'

I don't trust any of these doom mongers who parrot about a crisis. I read about factual information on the GWPF, Not A Lot Of People Know That and I watch videos on Rumble by Tony Heller. Then you'll know it's nothing more than a sham because the more you scare people the more you can control them. If their case is so strong why do they stifle any attempt a debate? Why tell lies? Why distort facts? Why be selective in showing graphs.
Here's an example: We've all been shocked at wildfires in the USA and Oz. But they don't tell you that over TEN TIMES more land was burnt in the 1920s than in the last few years (Tony Heller checks newspapers from that time). And that's because they don't want you to know.

I certainly don't trust the BBC, the Guardian, George Monbiot (what a laugh he is!) or Davis Attenborough, all of whom have a poor track record in handling truth when it conflicts with their message.

Oh and lastly, not one, NO NOT ONE climate prediction by the warmists has come true over the last 40 years. And how many 'tripping points' has our king got into a lather about? All have come, all have gone.

So I don't worry for my grandchildren, they will be fine, and so will yours.

So please don't worry ladies - and don't be fooled.

This is still a get-together this is part of what's needed. We shouldn't put it down.

Greta is doing things in other ways - good. David Attenborough is speaking about it in every one of his programmes.

George Monbiot ain't bad either...and the Extinction people may be extreme and annoying, but they are saying something -and please, don't let's go on about how awful they are on here.

This is a thread about COP27 and its importance as part of a struggle we need to win!

So what would you do instead Zoejory?

I'm with Greta Thunberg on this. These get togethers tend to involve an awful lot of blah blah blah.

Some days, I just think we're doomed....?

Me too. I've been concerned for many years and just watched it getting worse.
I won't see much of it, of course. My children and great=grandchildren (3) will see it.

I fear for them.

karmalady

Well done Rishi, working on uk priorities right now. We have already done more than our bit. There is a uk delegation going, doubt if it will make any difference to india or china

We haven't "done our bit". Not at all. But even if we had, that wouldn't be worth a blind bit of difference because the climate doesn't know we're British. The sea level won't stay stable for the UK because we "did our bit". The temperatures won't stay stable here and just go and upset those foreign folks.

This isn't like Brexit. We can't stand in glorious isolation saying "we're British you know". Some days, I just think we're doomed. ??‍♀️

Well done Rishi, working on uk priorities right now. We have already done more than our bit. There is a uk delegation going, doubt if it will make any difference to india or china

Good decision by Sunak not to go in my opinion he's got plenty to sort out here.