Asylum seekers

My step daughter is payroll manger on a farm in Kent. No problems at all getting overseas workers with visas.

JaneJudge, I’d be inclined to agree with you but, smoking cannabis in itself is damaging to lungs and heart function, before we factor in the damage to mental health.
I acknowledge the added factor of gangsters running the supply network.
It’s on the complex list for me

Katie59

Maudi

Why don't they apply for Visas if we require what they have to offer re qualifications and they have a firm offer of a job they can apply legally and get all the paperwork and work and help their families. Simples.

Some nations have a working visa system for needed skills, the UK does not, we do have limited recruitment programmes, for nurses and farm workers, maybe other skills. Covid interrupted that recruitment leading to much of the shortage today.

we do have a skills shortage visa system it's on the gov.uk website

I think cannabis should be legalised in order to make it safe. It isn;t safe in its current form illegally, it's all skunk and it is ruining bright young people's lives if they engage with that kind of behaviour - which lots of young people do because they are young and carefree

The cannabis being sold today is a completely different animal to what was used in the 60s/70s. The strain now ( and has been for some years) is highly addictive.

I agree with GrannyGravy. Cannabis should never be made legal in the UK. It has been shown to be very harmful, particularly with regard to mental health. It does have some medicinal qualities but if it was to be used as a treatment, it needs to be closely monitored by a doctor. It should never be legalised for recreational use.

Franbern

So if this drug was not illegal, and perhaps even taxed then it would rather prevent all this illegal activity.

Sorry but I am 100% against the legalisation of cannabis or any drugs.

So if this drug was not illegal, and perhaps even taxed then it would rather prevent all this illegal activity.

Petera
Albania is the 7th globally for cannabis cultivation and distribution.
Exporting their crop involves some risk.
Why not come to a country where they can take over ( from the Vietnamese) who had already set up the empty houses/ offices. Add to that, cuckooing.

They have done the maths and it works.
Added to that they know that because of our severely depleted police force the chance of getting caught are not high.

Oh Maudi you are so trusting!!!! Sadly, Google and u-tube is not usually very accurate about many things. Particularly propoganda.

Do not be so niaive - It was people being so trusting - and believing what they were being that led to them voting to Leave the EU - and - for many of them, thereby commencing their own downward spiral with regards to jobs, housing, standard of living et.c

Maudi

What's not to understand its blatantly obvious what's happening. Google Albanian gangs and people smuggling to the UK etc and all will be revealed to you.

By a man in in a tinfoil hat with no girlfriend posting from his mother's spare bedroom.

Come on Maudi, just humour us and post the logic.

What's not to understand its blatantly obvious what's happening. Google Albanian gangs and people smuggling to the UK etc and all will be revealed to you.

So Maudi =- I am really trying to understand.
So, there are these criminal Gangs (all of them from that lower populated country - Albania, who manage to get by various, difficult means to the EU. They then pay other criminal gangs (are these also Albanian? do they each pay each other?) to get a dangerous place on a small dinghy which may, or may not get them alive to the UK, - the country in the EU which takes the smallest number ( percent of population) of refugees, and has one of the worst benefit and pension system - so that they can continue their illegal (exactly what) activities here.

Have I got that all exact???

Haha my Mum warned me about people like you 😊

Maudi

21:52Petera
Why do you think they are paying the smuggling gangs then? They are economic migrants gaming the system and if you can't see that Google/YouTube is your friend lots of videos and information on there.

You made the accusation Maudi, I'd like you to be my friend.

21:52Petera
Why do you think they are paying the smuggling gangs then? They are economic migrants gaming the system and if you can't see that Google/YouTube is your friend lots of videos and information on there.

So how does this work then?

The Albanians pay a fortune to smugglers when they could easily, and without the worry of being 'illegal', carry out their nefarious criminal activities in any EU country. But they'd rather pay the money, risk the crossing, and have to keep their heads down even when just walking about not causing trouble. They are unable also to access any public services.

They arrive here, are picked up by the border forces but then what - they escape?

Sorry Maudi it may be obvious to you but if you want anyone to agree with you you'll have to explain.

It's well worth diving into this twitter thread by Sam Friedman. Sam was an advisor in the DfE during the tory/Libs coalition (alongside one D. Cummings). He is now, I think, a freelance journalist and commentator. He is mostly interested in education, but...

Here's the start of his thread:

Researching a long piece on aslyum seekers and I had not realised quite how borked our processing system it is. It's jaw dropping - it's literally run via manual data entry on excel spreadsheets that keep crashing.
Like so many policy problems in Britain it comes down to massive underinvestment in systems and capacity.
Turnover of aslyum caseworkers in 2021/22 was 40%! What a mess.
I think I've been somewhat cushioned from the sheer extent of British state failure by mostly focusing on education to date. Our school system has it's problems but basically works. I'm reading these immigration inspection reports open-mouthed at how bad it is.
And the more I look into the NHS the more horrified I am by that too. A lot of stuff is really badly broken.
This graph should be in every story about Manston and the cost of hotels for asylum seekers etc.... jfc.


•Graph posted above

Lots of people saying all this is deliberate. I don't think it is - it's massive incompetence and under-resourcing. The current crisis re: accommodation etc... is hardly doing the Tories any favours politically.

twitter.com/Samfr/status/1589945276995096576

I'd really recommend scrolling down and reading the comments, and other links posted by commenters.

Maudi

Why don't they apply for Visas if we require what they have to offer re qualifications and they have a firm offer of a job they can apply legally and get all the paperwork and work and help their families. Simples.

Some nations have a working visa system for needed skills, the UK does not, we do have limited recruitment programmes, for nurses and farm workers, maybe other skills. Covid interrupted that recruitment leading to much of the shortage today.

How ?

There is no opportunity to apply for asylum outside of the UK.

Why don't they apply for Visas if we require what they have to offer re qualifications and they have a firm offer of a job they can apply legally and get all the paperwork and work and help their families. Simples.

Yes criminal work.

Maudi

15:34Zoejory All I know is Albania is a very poor country. Maybe they want to come here to work to help their families lives.

They may well want to come to the UK to help their families but paying vast amounts of money to illegal smuggler gangs to cross the Channel on a dinghy isn't right, surely you don't think that's OK, I wouldn't think anyone with any sense would aprrove of that and if they are coming to help their families that makes them economic migrants. If they want to help their families that can legally travel around the EU countries for 90 days, why don't they work there. No most when over here will engage in criminal activities.

If they want to help their families that can legally travel around the EU countries for 90 days, why don't they engage in criminal activities there. No most when over here will engage in work.

15:23NotSpaghetti

Good grief lighten up she mentioned nit in her post.

15:34Zoejory All I know is Albania is a very poor country. Maybe they want to come here to work to help their families lives.

They may well want to come to the UK to help their families but paying vast amounts of money to illegal smuggler gangs to cross the Channel on a dinghy isn't right, surely you don't think that's OK, I wouldn't think anyone with any sense would aprrove of that and if they are coming to help their families that makes them economic migrants. If they want to help their families that can legally travel around the EU countries for 90 days, why don't they work there. No most when over here will engage in criminal activities.

GrannyGravy13

If I remember correctly the late Norman Wisdom is revered in Albania.

Norman may well have been consigned to history in Albania, although British, both Rita Ora and Dua Lipa are ethnically Albanian.