Asylum seekers

Eventually Biometrics will be the way to go and not before time. People may think it's un-British to have ID Cards etc but it's virtually the only way to reduce fraud.
The sooner we bring it in the better - if you are who you say you are then you won't have an issue with it. If you're not -well look out!!

swampy1961

Eventually Biometrics will be the way to go and not before time. People may think it's un-British to have ID Cards etc but it's virtually the only way to reduce fraud.
The sooner we bring it in the better - if you are who you say you are then you won't have an issue with it. If you're not -well look out!!

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
Goebbels.

That ended well.

NotSpaghetti

I really don't want an "ID card" thread

So I'll just say it on here that I'm with volver on this one!
No cards please!

I'll join you in the dissident's vorner.

volver

swampy1961

Eventually Biometrics will be the way to go and not before time. People may think it's un-British to have ID Cards etc but it's virtually the only way to reduce fraud.
The sooner we bring it in the better - if you are who you say you are then you won't have an issue with it. If you're not -well look out!!

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear."
Goebbels.

That ended well.

But it was the Nazi regime which caused the horrors, not ID cards. Germans have to carry ID cards now, but doesn't have a Nazi dictatorship.

Seriously, did you just say that? 😮

I'm gobsmacked.

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" is one of the most ridiculous statements ever. What if they make going on demos the thing you have to hide! Or being Scottish? Or having been abroad recently? Who decides what is "not allowed" any more?

People like Braverman?

Be careful what you wish for.

Volver “they” could do all sorts of things we don’t like in all sorts of ways, I’ve no trust in this government or their motivations and the sooner we are shot of them the better. They are already trying to curb strikes and demos or hadn’t you noticed?

And you want to make it easier for them?

It won’t make much difference to identity because those that don’t want to be honest will just say they’ve lost the card and waste police time.
Those of us that are honest will carry identity, driving licence or other document for their own convenience, if the ID deniers want to align themselves with the dishonest, that’s their problem.

Katie59

It won’t make much difference to identity because those that don’t want to be honest will just say they’ve lost the card and waste police time.
Those of us that are honest will carry identity, driving licence or other document for their own convenience, if the ID deniers want to align themselves with the dishonest, that’s their problem.

This is how it starts. "You don't have id? You must be dishonest then"

As I've said on the other thread, don't say we didn't warn you.

I can't see a problem with identity cards why would there be if you have nothing to hide. Probably only a problem if you are an illegal.

Katie59

It won’t make much difference to identity because those that don’t want to be honest will just say they’ve lost the card and waste police time.
Those of us that are honest will carry identity, driving licence or other document for their own convenience, if the ID deniers want to align themselves with the dishonest, that’s their problem.

That is a mind boggling assumption, Katie59.

It makes it perfectly understandable how fascism takes hold, though...

Fascism takes hold because people vote for fascists as a result of a flawed democratic process or because fascists use force - not because of ID cards.

growstuff

Fascism takes hold because people vote for fascists as a result of a flawed democratic process or because fascists use force - not because of ID cards.

Fascism is clearly a natural tendency if Gnet posters are anything to go by...

It takes hold when fellow humans are characterised as 'illegals' and when people tell you that if you haven't done anything wrong you've nothing to fear.

Of vourse it's absolutely fine to be required to prove your identity at all times and in all places...

Who's saying anything about being required to prove ID at all times and in all places? That will only happen if the law is changed to allow it. And, yes, I agree that there are some people who would turn a blind eye - or even approve of - fascism. That's what did happen in 1930s Germany. It was people who allowed fascism - not having ID.

www.liberties.eu, a link I found through a conservative website, has an article explaining why people use dinghy boats rather than airlines. Eu legislation passed 2019 has had its own consequences.

It’s not just fascism it’s any kind of authoritarian regime, try getting far in a communist country without an ID, it makes no difference to me I always carry a photo ID now

Did anyone see BBC news last night ? One of the immigrants complains about standards in the holding place,then says I can't even phone my family! Ummm if he's running from a war torn country,why oh why has he left his family behind? Think BBC slipped up Lol

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Oh yes, of course Maudi. People who have been persecuted in far off places that aren't actually at war, and have completely upended their lives, don't have any families that are worried about them. That's a given.

(Feeling very sarcastic this morning)

I wouldn't trust any ID card system with Braverman in charge of it.

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times, but it could prove useful to people who don't have the sorts of ID people usually use for picking up post, proving age, etc.

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times.

I am. I'm saying just that. That's what we have to take into account. That's the problem.

Why is that so difficult for people to understand?

The EU must be a terrible place if people are terrified of applying for asylum there (who knew) and have to pay vast sums of money to illegal smuggling gangs to cross the chanel in a dinghy to come to the UK.

Some people are very naive.

Maudi you have said things on this thread that I can't agree with but calling a person an illegal is dehumanising.
This is the language I deplore.

Maudi

The EU must be a terrible place if people are terrified of applying for asylum there (who knew) and have to pay vast sums of money to illegal smuggling gangs to cross the chanel in a dinghy to come to the UK.

Some people are very naive.

The majority of those coming to UK either have English as a second language or family member in UK, probably Albanians are the exception where the mafia are expanding thei4 crime network.

growstuff

Nobody's saying that an ID card would have to be carried around at all times, but it could prove useful to people who don't have the sorts of ID people usually use for picking up post, proving age, etc.

Not much point having an ID if you leave it at home.