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Now this is terrifying- and sheer terrorism

(33 Posts)
Fleurpepper Thu 03-Nov-22 12:12:53

this is what happens when certain groups are demonised, not just by some far right weirdos, like Tony Robinson and Farage, but by Foreign Secretaries like Priti Patel or Suella Braverman. They whip up hatred, and have to take some responsability, for this terrorism.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/nov/02/migrant-centre-attacker-planned-to-obliterate-muslim-children-in-final-tweet

So, excuse me if I don't get too worried about some man in a wig, or some woman in a wig and too much make-up, opens a door and the closes it again and goes away! Perspective!

Riverwalk Thu 03-Nov-22 14:10:39

By the way, Nigel Farage isn’t a far Right weirdo hmm

Caleo Thu 03-Nov-22 13:58:35

Hate speech is unlawful and rightly so. But I think only very old, ill, or dying people have the right not to be offended by insults to their opinions.

Hate speech is something else. Hate speech inflames reactive emotions that result in slanders , physical injuries, and murder.

Caleo Thu 03-Nov-22 13:53:20

Galaxy I don't know of the mods here are liberal or not. I suspect them of paternalism but that's only a vague impression.

MaizieD Thu 03-Nov-22 13:52:41

By the way, Nigel Farage isn’t a far Right weirdo. Again, he speaks for a lot of people here, just not the prolific posters on GN though!

Perhaps there aren't as many as you think there are. And maybe the 'silent' ones on Gnet are slightly ashamed of their unsavoury views. Or there just aren't many of them, either...

MaizieD Thu 03-Nov-22 13:49:46

The issue is nothing whatsoever to do with ‘whipping up hatred’ as you put it, but in the case of the Home Secretary, trying against all the odds to secure our borders and to break the criminal people smuggling gangs.

She's not trying very hard, is she? There are several things she could get on with doing to prevent the smuggling gangs, but she prefers to demonise, in Parliament, all asylum seekers, rather than do anything useful.

And, amazing though it may seem to those who approve of this, there are many people who thoroughly disapprove of her inhumane, even law breaking, treatment of them.

Fleurpepper Thu 03-Nov-22 13:38:37

''By the way, Nigel Farage isn’t a far Right weirdo. Again, he speaks for a lot of people here,''

I rest my case! Remember that pro Brexit Poster- he has been whipping up hatred for a very long time. And yes, he is a Far Right wing dangerous man (weirdo was indeed the wrong word).

Fleurpepper Thu 03-Nov-22 13:35:11

Exactly, and perspective. Seems ot me, and some of you are totally within your right to disagree, of course, that some things are more worrying than others.

VioletSky Thu 03-Nov-22 13:29:52

No one is controlling speech just having an opinion on it

Galaxy Thu 03-Nov-22 13:27:40

I am talking about control of speech. On gransnet that on the whole lies with the owners of the website and obviously in certain cases with the law. Same with Twitter. It wont always be the good guys who decide on control of speech.

VioletSky Thu 03-Nov-22 13:25:27

Galaxy

No they dont. Sorry but victims of anything will have little control over what can and can be said on Twitter for example. They can campaign and protest but the decisions wont be made by them.

Of course it is the victims, they are the ones seeking justice under the law

Galaxy Thu 03-Nov-22 13:23:51

Can and cant be said that should say.

Galaxy Thu 03-Nov-22 13:23:25

No they dont. Sorry but victims of anything will have little control over what can and can be said on Twitter for example. They can campaign and protest but the decisions wont be made by them.

VioletSky Thu 03-Nov-22 13:21:30

Galaxy

Who gets to decide what is whipping up hatred VS. You? Elon Musk perhaps. Good luck with that.

Victims.

GagaJo Thu 03-Nov-22 13:19:36

Exactly Fleurpepper. Couldn't agree more.

Galaxy Thu 03-Nov-22 13:14:25

Who gets to decide what is whipping up hatred VS. You? Elon Musk perhaps. Good luck with that.

VioletSky Thu 03-Nov-22 13:01:55

People who share stories that they clearly haven't fact checked because it furthers their own agenda are the literally whipping up hatred and are definitely responsible for enabling abuse and violence

Minority groups are constantly being talked about yet other stories ignored.

As one example

1% of sexual violence in the UK results in charges and conviction but we need 17 threads about the dangers of "trans women" instead

Yes. Perspective

Some are rather skewed

Chocolatelovinggran Thu 03-Nov-22 12:59:10

Jennifer Eccles- do you have evidence that Nigel Farage speaks for " a lot of people "? Perhaps you know people for whom he speaks, but that is anecdotal, which I could counter with he speaks for no one I know.
When he stood for Parliament, he was unsuccessful.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 03-Nov-22 12:55:44

All terrorism is abhorrent wherever and whoever the organisation or lone wolf are.

Some women feel terrified to find a man in a wig in their women only spaces.

JenniferEccles Thu 03-Nov-22 12:43:36

The issue is nothing whatsoever to do with ‘whipping up hatred’ as you put it, but in the case of the Home Secretary, trying against all the odds to secure our borders and to break the criminal people smuggling gangs.

I’m pretty sure this endeavour has the support of the majority of the population.

By the way, Nigel Farage isn’t a far Right weirdo. Again, he speaks for a lot of people here, just not the prolific posters on GN though!

Galaxy Thu 03-Nov-22 12:40:16

The attempt to control speech is much more dangerous than the terrible things some people may say. It is without fail minorities who suffer when there are further attempts to control speech. People seem to be of the naive belief that the control of speech will always be in the hands of the 'good guys'.

Smileless2012 Thu 03-Nov-22 12:38:43

Which are the pretty disgusting responses?

Stormystar Thu 03-Nov-22 12:37:27

Any form of terrorism be it extreme far left or extreme far right is of course utterly abhorrent. But the connection with people wearing wigs and opening doors has me baffled. Or Fleurpepper are you saying transgenderism is now under the rubric of terrorism.

VioletSky Thu 03-Nov-22 12:35:59

This is why hate speech must be quashed on all platforms

It encourages and enables this kind of violence towards innocent people

Pretty disgusting responses to this thread so far

Hope it improves

Galaxy Thu 03-Nov-22 12:32:39

Do you mean on here caleo?
It doesnt have to be unlawful it just has to break the guidelines. So someone could be deleted for troll hunting etc which in itself isnt unlawful.

Smileless2012 Thu 03-Nov-22 12:29:16

I agree Caleo but what's the connection?