Scarf in Suffragette colours not allowed in Scottish Parliament.

Oh I know what you mean. I've given up 🤣.

I actually meant Galaxy, not you. And she did explain. Sorry!

I don't see that there are any laws about who can wear what colour and when, or which stripe. If there aren't any laws about what it all means then it can be ambiguous and therefore not enforceable, which leads me back to the fact that no one should be asked to remove a piece of clothing that they have chosen to wear just because it offends someone else. If it's not legal to ask someone to remove an item of clothing, it should not happen. Imagine if a gay person was asked to remove their rainbow scarf or if a trans person was asked to remove their striped scarf? It's just not reasonable to try and crack down on individuality.

Even if there were people who wanted to change the law, I can't see this government getting around to passing a law about anything. They were supposed to change the law about dog theft and make it illegal to boil lobsters alive, among other things, but they are too busy finding things wrong with each other to do anything to improve anything.

VioletSky

I was just catching up on my break when I came across a comment comparing a daft idiot guard, banning a scarf to the mass slaughter happening to women in Iran

And I just can't

I could cry

What the heck is this?

Can't read past that

I'm done

No, that is yet more twisting of what was said. You do it every bloody time.

What I compared was the fact that in both cases men were telling women what they could wear, and making small pieces of cloth into symbols of dissent.

I carefully pointed out that of course the scale was different, as I am so used to being deliberately misrepresented, but I should have realised that that would be ignored.

I suppose if you have flounced again you won't see this, but I am posting in case anyone else has misunderstood my post to the point where they think I was comparing being asked to leave the SP with mass slaughter. I assume not, as no-one else has commented, but you never know.

Should the oppressed really turn round and stomp on the next oppressed group.

You're referring to the transactivists trying to crush women's & girls' rights to single sex provision in every situation?
Am I right Heathermomo?

It was yet another technique not ended to distract from the fact of what happened.

Everyone involved agrees it was wrong. It’s been acknowledged and apologies issued.

But now it’s vital for supporters to distract from why it happened in the first place. The underlying ethos that permeates what should be a place for varying opinions and debate. Where actions that affect all the people of Scotland should be open to scrutiny.

Deter people from questioning why and it leaves the ethos in place and the door open for future attempts to quash any opposing viewpoints.

Doodledog

Women in Iran have been making a very brave stand against being told what to wear by men.

Yes, this case is different, but the roots are similar. Both involve clothing being used to make a statement, and men telling women which statements are acceptable and which are not.

As for the thread drift - this is inevitable on topics like this, and happens when people make patronising posts based on illogical premises, so that others feel compelled to reply.

No comparison

Woman wearing scarf, that GC feminists have appropriated as a symbol of their cause, asked to remove it for one meeting By mistake by 1 idiot and apologised too

Women who don't want to be told what to wear by men in general who are currently suffering and potentially dying in their thousands as a result after a majority of men in power voted for it

No comparison at all.

I'm sorry you don't like it but I was honest with you about how it made me feel and I did indeed feel like crying at that moment. Still do.

This is what happens in discussion sometimes but at least I didn't turn it into a personal attack or make facetious comments about flouncing

The wonderful Joanna Cherry making a not so subtle point today. 💚🤍💜

twitter.com/safeguardwomen/status/1592871958009761792?s=61&t=Q6TowpBSA0He5jd9GZ5EXw

"Yes, this case is different but the roots are similar. Both involve clothing being used to make a statement, and men telling women which statements are acceptable and which are not".

And there is the comparison that you correctly made Doodledog. No misunderstanding here; nothing to misunderstand.

Joanna Cherry - brilliant!

Thank you, Smileless. It's good to know that I am not writing in a foreign language.

No

Woman wears scarf by choice she has every right to wear

Woman given very little rights an forced to cover up on pain of horror based violence or death.

If you can't see that and think the two are in any way comparable and GC feminists are in any way suffering like those in Iran your privilege is showing

I'm so genuinely angry any woman would think that way

Sometimes you are just wrong, deal with it

I literally typed horror instead of honor because what is happening in Iran is so horrific I can't even cope with how bad things are for women there and other places

Just deal.with being wrong

It happens

Woman wears scarf she is entitled to wear and is ejected from a debate concerning her rights as a woman.

Every oppression starts with actions that others deem insignificant. That’s how power is gained.

Sometimes you are just wrong. Deal with it.

Privilege

So much Privilege

Aveline

Joanna Cherry - brilliant!

It really is .

I’ve only just come across this thread and so haven’t read through it yet. I’m just wondering why the suffragette colours have been banned. Is it because of trans rights as has been suggested? I’m really in the dark about why this would happen.

Joanna Cherry, brilliant!

Every oppression starts with actions that others deem insignificant. That’s how power is gained.
Even in Iran.

What do you suppose VS means in her post at 17:27.
Is it a criticisms of males or intersexual feminists wanting to exercise their privilege of telling females what they can and can’t do or have?

Lathyrus

Woman wears scarf she is entitled to wear and is ejected from a debate concerning her rights as a woman.

Every oppression starts with actions that others deem insignificant. That’s how power is gained.

Sometimes you are just wrong. Deal with it.

Thanks, Lathyrus.

I should know by now that mentioning anything that is remotely analogous/allegorical/comparable to anything else will be misunderstood (deliberately or otherwise) and twisted to suggest that it meant something entirely different and offensive.

I'm pretty sure that most people reading will take it as intended though, so it's good to see that corroborated.

maddyone

I’ve only just come across this thread and so haven’t read through it yet. I’m just wondering why the suffragette colours have been banned. Is it because of trans rights as has been suggested? I’m really in the dark about why this would happen.

It is really difficult to say why they are controversial (although they haven't been banned), maddy.

They represent something that was about women, who were discriminated against (in the correct usage of the word) for being born female. Some GC feminists have adopted them to signify solidarity amongst women, and TRAs have decided that this is exclusionary, presumably as they won't be content until there is no solidarity amongst women allowed, as we will no longer exist as a sex class.

If it were me

"Oh my goodness, you are right, bringing the desperate struggle or Iranian women into this was totally inappropriate in this context, I'm so sorry"

You

Ha ha let's be facetious, make personal attacks about what someone "always bloody does" and have jokes! yay!

So toxic

I'm not even going to argue with you anymore.

Totally lost cause

Meanwhile: On another thread by women for women OMG sooooo much cleavage and skin these days! Bring back the 1950s!

I despair

Doodledog

Women in Iran have been making a very brave stand against being told what to wear by men.

Yes, this case is different, but the roots are similar. Both involve clothing being used to make a statement, and men telling women which statements are acceptable and which are not.

As for the thread drift - this is inevitable on topics like this, and happens when people make patronising posts based on illogical premises, so that others feel compelled to reply.

Please could people stop posting things like this. There are women in Iran who are amongst the most ardent and violent supporters and defenders of the hijab.It is a complete mistake to assume all women are protesting. They are not. These are the women who enforce the hijab

When my daughter was little, if you pointed out she’d got something wrong she used to get very indignant and say ‘You’ve upset me now!”

It used to make me smile then as well😬

If it were me.
I think thats the thing VS. People arent you. We hold different views. So we arent going to respond in the way you do.
There is a complex discussion to be had about the pressure women may feel to wear certain items, in conjunction with womens choices about clothing. The cleavage thread isnt a place I would try to have that discussion.

I think that the SNP have seriously lost the plot.

I wonder if we should try again for a feminism section.