Scarf in Suffragette colours not allowed in Scottish Parliament.

Gosh, how insightful of you. Quite remarkable .

Has your neurodiversity come on recently? You didn't always type in phrases.

Lol

You guys

Lol?

You think what you just posted is a joke?

I don't usually report and I have apologised but how about this

We go back and report every personal comment towards each of us in the last 24 hours and count up how many are removed afterwards?

"FGS Violetsky look what you just typed, you are not your mother"

Yes, you suddenly reach an age when you realise that is becoming true!!

Every cloud etc

What on earth are you on about VS?
For your own sake, stop arguing on the internet and focus on the important stuff

shrug

Anyone seen that eventbrite have cancelled Karen ingalla Smith's book launch defending womens spaces due to it breaching rules of hate and violence. Honestly how many legal actions is it going to take.

Galaxy

Anyone seen that eventbrite have cancelled Karen ingalla Smith's book launch defending womens spaces due to it breaching rules of hate and violence. Honestly how many legal actions is it going to take.

Bullying. Discrimination. Cancelling anyone who doesn’t agree with your beliefs. Depriving people of their livelihoods. Accusing them of and violence without evidence. Identifying and labelling them as part of a group that is harmful to approved policies.

Now where have we seen that before?

VioletSky

I don't usually report and I have apologised but how about this

We go back and report every personal comment towards each of us in the last 24 hours and count up how many are removed afterwards?

I’ve just read through this thread. I had real difficulty understanding several of your posts VioletSky. Has you posting style changed?
The unpleasant, goady, passive aggressive style remains consistent.
What did Doodledog do to lead you to suggest reporting every personal comment? Or weren’t you aiming at Doodle.

Getting asked to leave because you’re wearing suffragette colours isn’t ok. An apology doesn’t make it so.

Assuming we are all biological women, (apologies if this is not the case) I find it sad that women are illogically censored for their clothing here and instead of standing together against what is wrong there are women attacking *women.

The problems in Iran are additionally heartbreaking and again, if women don't stand together in unity about what is wrong, then we will not be able to work together for what is right.

OnwardandUpward There has never been a time when women all stood together. It's a pure myth. The suffragettes were not a united movement and many women disagreed with more violent protests, then there were the suffragists who disagreed with all militant actions. There were even women who didn't think we should have the vote.
And women in Iran are just as divided.

VioletSky

No

Woman wears scarf by choice she has every right to wear

Woman given very little rights an forced to cover up on pain of horror based violence or death.

If you can't see that and think the two are in any way comparable and GC feminists are in any way suffering like those in Iran your privilege is showing

I'm so genuinely angry any woman would think that way

Sometimes you are just wrong, deal with it

Why are you comparing what happened in Scotland with Iran?
Women here aren’t necessarily suffering like the women in Iran, and no one has said what is happening is not appalling, though certainly there are examples of ill treatment of females by males here too.
I did think at first that sidetracking this thread was wrong
BUT
It’s a starting point.
• Start with forbidding the choice of colour of clothing, because someone thinks it represents a POV that males would find offensive.

• Follow it by forbidding safe places for females and making it obligatory to accept what males want to happen about them.

• Add taking away female rights to say what happens to their bodies and saying males have the right to make that decision for females.

We don’t believe what is happening in Iran could happen here,
but giving males power to decide what females are entitled to do, say, act or wear is how it started over there!
Some males, and sadly some women too, seem to think it’s acceptable for that to happen.

And by supporting it, imply that what is happening in Iran because of the power of males is OK, even if they can’t make the link for themselves.

Glorianny

OnwardandUpward There has never been a time when women all stood together. It's a pure myth. The suffragettes were not a united movement and many women disagreed with more violent protests, then there were the suffragists who disagreed with all militant actions. There were even women who didn't think we should have the vote.
And women in Iran are just as divided.

It's a shame isn't it.

The problems in Iran are additionally heartbreaking and again, if women don't stand together in unity about what is wrong, then we will not be able to work together for what is right.
Again, thank you for understanding that I was not comparing slaughter with being asked to leave parliament, but the reaction to bits of cloth, OAU. It is often difficult to post on these threads knowing that if there are two ways to pick something up the bad one will be taken, and it is genuinely reassuring to know that most people can see my comments as they were intended.

I would like to say something at this point, and hope that it will be read as it is meant - as a clearing of the air. I will address VS directly, rather than talk behind her back, but this is really more of an open letter:

VS I have never accused you of being a narcissist, and I do not know (or want to know) about your relationship with your mother or your MH issues. Nor do I pick on your posts, or make personal comments, but of course I react when I see them as passive aggressive (or just plain aggressive, such as your recent comments to me). I don't imply things either - I say what I think. I am as tactful as I can be, but sometimes there is only one way to say something, particularly in response to something someone else has posted.

I do wish, however, that you would stop taking everything as being about you, and assuming that comments are personal when they are not. If your past experiences and MH are such that you get upset very easily, you should maybe consider whether discussion boards are good for you? Only you can answer that and I am not suggesting that you leave, but you cannot expect a golden pass to say what you like and then accuse people of not taking account of your past experience and MH when they respond. You know nothing of the background or experiences of anyone else on this board, yet you expect everyone to be aware of and make allowances for yours.

I expect you will report this. If that happens, will any moderator reading it please understand that this post is an attempt to prevent further bad feeling rather than to cause it?

Narrative changes everywhere

I can do sarcasm too

I know, I'm a terrible person

Only GC feminists are allowed to be angry or rude or make personal comments about feminist issues and may have as many passes as they like

I am not going back but from now on I will be reporting personal comments in future for 2 reasons

1. You think it's me anyway so might as well

2. It takes a lot to wind me up to the point I reciprocate and I'm not letting that happen again

Night all

That is really not what I said, and it doesn't look as though you have even read my post.

I'm not saying that you have to agree, but I'd hoped you would at least read it.

Oh well. At least I tried.

Your perceptions of me are yours doodledog

I'm quite used to being told who I am or who someone needs me to be so they can feel good about their own behaviour

I'm not interested

When I'm rude I apologise I'm not a perfect human but I have given far more respect on these threads than I have ever received and if you can't handle being told when you are blatantly making generalisations backed up by a small minority of women who desperately need your strength in numbers as much as you do... to tell me I am being or doing whatever it is now...

Then that's just not a me problem.

Sometimes people create monsters only they can see

I don't know what else to say really

It just gets worse and worse

But I'm never going away

I'll keep learning how to handle it

If it were an issue I faced in other areas of my life I'd be running for therapy but there is exactly 1 onternet forum and only 2 subjects people.try very hard to silence me on

I guess I'm doing something right

In that Scottish Parliament session, where scarves in certain colours couldn't be tolerated, there was a proposed amendment to the Gender Recognition Reform Bill.

It was that sex offenders should be prevented from getting a Gender Recognition Certificate, as an attempt to protect women's and girls' safety.

The Committee voted against that amendment.

So concerned about the feelings of sex offenders, but no interest in the feelings of women.

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Here's violent male sex offender Katie Dolatowski, who has now been transferred into a women's prison to keep him happy.

How do the women prisoners feel? Who cares.

KD is now a hulking man of over 6ft.

mobile.twitter.com/ForWomenScot/status/1592946010778923008

It’s madness, isn’t it? A good friend of mine is very keen on Scottish independence but is so torn by the GRA thing. I feel for her, as it is similar to how I feel about Labour, but much much stronger.

I think that the LP needs to get its act together, but I think a lot of the silly things they say are borne of fear at losing their messaging to the barrage of hideousness that would descend on them if they said that men don’t have cervixes, even though they know that it’s ridiculous. I don’t think they mean any of it, or that they would legislate in the way the Scottish parliament has. I feel torn on principle, but my friend is going to have to choose between incredibly misogynist practices and the independence she wants. I don’t know how she will vote if the referendum goes ahead as neither does she, and I think a lot of her friends feel the same. I know her daughters have both gone from pro-independence to very anti because of the issue.

It seems like madness that the wants of a small minority might change the face of politics in this way.

I am in that same situation DD.
I would vote for independence, but not for SNP.
If they make the next election a de facto referendum, tho, that could mean the only way to vote Yes is to vote for an SNP candidate resulting in them claiming that they are the chosen ones to take Scotland forward.

Anyway, here's further info on violent sex offender Dolatowski :
"Witnesses saw Dolatowski "holding Mr Patterson over a table and punching him to the back of his head"."
www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/crime/court-female-identifying-katie-dolatowski-attacked-inmate-in-male-prison-3921257

VS
If it were an issue I faced in other areas of my life I'd be running for therapy but there is exactly 1 onternet forum and only 2 subjects people.try very hard to silence me on.
Really VS?
That’s a bit dramalamadingdong.
No one on GN tries to silence you except in your mind.

• Disagreeing with others, not just you,

• posting facts that others not just you, find unacceptable;
^e.g. like that posted by FarNorth about the wrongness of the male, Katie Dolatowski being in a female prison;

• even explaining in the simplest of terms when others, not just you, appear to have misread or simply been unable to comprehend isn’t trying to silence you or anyone.

It’s what posters including you do on myriad threads.

Even when posters address you directly, as I am doing here, how does your perception of silencing work?

Which words or phrases do you see as silencing you?
Where has anyone told you not to post?
Not to speak?
Not to contribute?

Silencing is when a poster is banned.
And yet here you still are, unsilenced.

No not just me

Thank goodeness