A boost for Brexit?

I don't know whether careers advisors visit all schools, but I remember that the civil service did a talk about apprenticeships when my son was in the sixth form.

When you are 18 yrs old your mind is on fun, and Uni sounds a lot more fun than apprenticeship and work, so a lot party their way through and get poor grades in a subject that does not lead to a career.

There are also 18 year olds who choose an apprenticeship or job precisely because they'll have more money to pay for fun and parties.

My son partied - well outward bounded - loves the outdoors - his way through university, and at his finals went into complete panic mode - enough for the doctor to suspect a heart condition- too much caffeine - but he passed well and went on to his Phd by which time he had worked it out of his system and settled down.

It is never too late.

However, I do think there is (probably) a majority of young who really would prefer not to follow the academic route and make enormous and valuable contribution to society by following more practice subjects.

All equably valuable and essential.

growstuff

*One thing the UK is excellent at producing are creatives whether actors, artists or musicians.*

And look at how funding for the arts is being cut.

Appalling. I seem to remember that either Keith Ricard or Mick once said that the Stones brought in more money to the country than the car industry. I suspect there was an element of truth in that and also before they became tax exiles.

All equably valuable and essential

Agreed Whitewavemark2

growstuff

There are also 18 year olds who choose an apprenticeship or job precisely because they'll have more money to pay for fun and parties.

I'm one who didn't go to Uni, despite my Dad (who worked at UCL) telling me what a great life students had (back in the 60s).

I wanted to leave home and enjoy myself, which I did. One of the benefits was the large number of concerts I went to, ranging from the Tamla Motown Roadshow to Segovia and many others in between.

I had no idea of what I wanted to do until, in my mid twenties I met an accountant who was looking into the path lab where I worked and I asked if he would explain some of the finer points of book-keeping, having taught myself basic book keeping. He suggested that I should think about going into articles, because women made good accountants. So I did, just before the rules change to making the profession graduate only. At the time women in the accountancy and law professions amounted to about 3% but now it's around half, if not higher.

Brexit will never be finalised whilst WEF runs the country.

effalump

Brexit will never be finalised whilst WEF runs the country.

It doesn't except in the minds of conspiracy theorists.

Workplaces and jobs have changed just a tad since the 1960s Dinahmo.

In the highly unlikely event that we are not all avid GB news watchers I share this (but the real question is "what the hell's Angela Ripon doing there?")

twitter.com/i/status/1595768147424194567

Petera
Why shouldn’t she be there?
I can almost smell your snear from here. Still, your in the right company here on GN. Snearing is much admired.

Petera
Perhaps this lefty ( her words) can answer you.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/gb-news-diversity-left-wing-b1923930.html

Petera

In the highly unlikely event that we are not all avid GB news watchers I share this (but the real question is "what the hell's Angela Ripon doing there?")

twitter.com/i/status/1595768147424194567

but the real question is "what the hell's Angela Ripon doing there?

Working?

Dinahmo

growstuff

There are also 18 year olds who choose an apprenticeship or job precisely because they'll have more money to pay for fun and parties.

I'm one who didn't go to Uni, despite my Dad (who worked at UCL) telling me what a great life students had (back in the 60s).

I wanted to leave home and enjoy myself, which I did. One of the benefits was the large number of concerts I went to, ranging from the Tamla Motown Roadshow to Segovia and many others in between.

I had no idea of what I wanted to do until, in my mid twenties I met an accountant who was looking into the path lab where I worked and I asked if he would explain some of the finer points of book-keeping, having taught myself basic book keeping. He suggested that I should think about going into articles, because women made good accountants. So I did, just before the rules change to making the profession graduate only. At the time women in the accountancy and law professions amounted to about 3% but now it's around half, if not higher.

Accountancy is not degree only, you can still qualify on the job with AAT qualifications, it may well be that you choose to stay at “Technician” level which is well paid and flexible, easy to work from home etc.

I love GB News Petera! It’s good that ‘lefty’ types are just as welcome to put forward their views in equal measure to others. It makes for healthy and interesting debates. The interviewers don’t cut across and interrupt either. A pleasant change and a good platform for many views to be heard. Academics and experts are also interviewed. Who’d have thunk it?
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I think with newspapers and news channels its always interesting to "follow the money" - ie who owns them, who is funding them. GB's funding comes from right wing sources and is not "neutral", it's designed to push a certain POV, just as Fox news does in the USA. They can chose their interviewee's who are guaranteed to push an agenda.

I have dropped into GB News once or twice and watched for 5 minutes.

It seems very amateurish. But perhaps that is deliberate?

Petera

In the highly unlikely event that we are not all avid GB news watchers I share this (but the real question is "what the hell's Angela Ripon doing there?")

twitter.com/i/status/1595768147424194567

On this clip Daubeny has the proportion the right way round. A clip on The Last Leg last night showed Daubeny prefacing the news item by referring gloatingly to Remoaners and then reading that 55% would vote for Brexit. As he was reading he realised that he'd misunderstood and was somewhat confused.

Katie59

Dinahmo

growstuff

There are also 18 year olds who choose an apprenticeship or job precisely because they'll have more money to pay for fun and parties.

I'm one who didn't go to Uni, despite my Dad (who worked at UCL) telling me what a great life students had (back in the 60s).

I wanted to leave home and enjoy myself, which I did. One of the benefits was the large number of concerts I went to, ranging from the Tamla Motown Roadshow to Segovia and many others in between.

I had no idea of what I wanted to do until, in my mid twenties I met an accountant who was looking into the path lab where I worked and I asked if he would explain some of the finer points of book-keeping, having taught myself basic book keeping. He suggested that I should think about going into articles, because women made good accountants. So I did, just before the rules change to making the profession graduate only. At the time women in the accountancy and law professions amounted to about 3% but now it's around half, if not higher.

Accountancy is not degree only, you can still qualify on the job with AAT qualifications, it may well be that you choose to stay at “Technician” level which is well paid and flexible, easy to work from home etc.

AAT was introduced long after I trained. Originally it was possible to do 5 year articles with O levels and 4 year with A levels, which is what I did. Back then it was 3 years with a relevant degree. I signed my articles about a month before entry was restricted to graduates. At that time there was not the wide range of entry into the profession that there is now.

FYI - I was not a technician. After qualifying I worked for a very small firm and then one of the top 3 at that time. I became a partnership tax specialist dealing with the affairs of the actual partnership rather than those of clients.

It was very interesting but changed when the current year basis was introduced in the last century. I forget when but it meant that there was much less scope for tax planning. It also meant that I didn't have to complete time sheets.

Whitewavemark2
So in your opinion all these news presenters are amateurish.
Eamonn Holmes from ITV and Sky.
Isabelle Webster from Sky.
Anne Diamond BBC and ITV.
Steven Dixon from Sky.
Then let’s not forget that rank amateur Angela Rippon.

And I love Alistair Stewart (ex BBC I think?).
Consummate professional.

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re: Ms Rippon

growstuff

Workplaces and jobs have changed just a tad since the 1960s Dinahmo.

I am aware of that. As I said, the female intake into the professions is around 50% which is good, as long as they enjoy the work. It can be a nightmare if they don't.

MerylStreep

Whitewavemark2
So in your opinion all these news presenters are amateurish.
Eamonn Holmes from ITV and Sky.
Isabelle Webster from Sky.
Anne Diamond BBC and ITV.
Steven Dixon from Sky.
Then let’s not forget that rank amateur Angela Rippon.

That's not what she said at all, Meryl.

It could well have been a reference to wobbling scenery or poor camera work (I don't know, I've never bothered to watch it). The word 'presenters' was not mentioned in her post.