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Buckingham Palace Aide resigns

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Parsley3 Wed 30-Nov-22 14:12:28

BBC News - Buckingham Palace aide resigns over remarks to black charity boss
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63810468

Well at least the Palace took this incident seriously and didn't fob off Ms Fulani's complaint.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 01-Dec-22 18:20:28

Whitewavemark2

One if my neighbours is black.

I would no more question him on his origins than fly through the air. It is absolutely none of my business.

It is so rude, and of course racist.

Two of my best friends along with my next door neighbours are of Asian heritage.

We regularly discuss differences in our upbringings, food, clothing and cultural differences it’s called being interested in the world, neither racist or rude.

Farzanah Thu 01-Dec-22 18:21:23

Things will never change if people are not prepared to admit anything is wrong. We are a modern diverse population and it is important to recognise this and not to defend outdated inappropriate attitudes.

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 18:23:45

They are your best friends GG, so presumably you understand each other. Ms Fulani was a stranger and Lady Hussey should have had more common sense and good manners and should have known that repeatedly asking a black person where they come from is a racist trope.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 01-Dec-22 18:24:29

Farzanah

Things will never change if people are not prepared to admit anything is wrong. We are a modern diverse population and it is important to recognise this and not to defend outdated inappropriate attitudes.

Not mixing and finding out about different cultures leads to people living in ignorance of others.

HousePlantQueen Thu 01-Dec-22 18:27:36

GrannyGravy13

growstuff absolutely Ms Fulani went to BP with the intention of undermining the RF.

And you know this how?

MerylStreep Thu 01-Dec-22 18:29:26

growstuff

Anniebach

Megan Markle also said they were married 3 days before their
wedding

What the hell does that have to do with this?

Meghan Merkel tells porkies.

Mollygo Thu 01-Dec-22 18:30:22

HousePlantQueen

GrannyGravy13
growstuff absolutely Ms Fulani went to BP with the intention of undermining the RF.
And you know this how?
Same way as we know lots of things.

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 18:31:03

GrannyGravy13

GagaJo

Racial Microaggressions in Everyday Life: Implications for Clinical Practice.

“Where are you from?”
“Where were you born?”
“You speak good English.”

That’s an American study you linked to, their culture is rather different to the U.K.

What do you suggest people talk about on their first introductions if they are obviously of different colour/culture?

I am extremely interested in people one of the great joys of travelling the world is learning about different cultures by talking to people of different cultures.

I don't think it's that different from the UK.

My soon to be son-in-law has dark skin and black curly hair, which isn't surprising because his father is from Sudan and his maternal grandparents are from Yemen. He was born in Manchester, has a slight Mancunian accent and has never been to Sudan nor Yemen, despite having a Sudanese surname. He has told me that he has quite often been asked where he comes from. He finds it intrusive and offensive, but has got used to ignoring people and writing them off as bigots. It's a well-known racist trope.

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 18:32:26

Mollygo

HousePlantQueen

GrannyGravy13
growstuff absolutely Ms Fulani went to BP with the intention of undermining the RF.
And you know this how?
Same way as we know lots of things.

Bit confused about who wrote what her.

How on earth does anybody know what Ms Fulani's intention was? Ridiculous!

GrannyGravy13 Thu 01-Dec-22 18:32:51

HousePlantQueen I get my info from the GN Chrystal Ball.

Growstuff implied that Lady Hussey was undermining Ms Fulani I just reversed the scenario.

Check out Ms Fulani’s social media and her views on The King & Queen consort.

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 18:33:08

MerylStreep

growstuff

Anniebach

Megan Markle also said they were married 3 days before their
wedding

What the hell does that have to do with this?

Meghan Merkel tells porkies.

So what? So does our former PM Johnson.

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 18:33:42

GrannyGravy13

HousePlantQueen I get my info from the GN Chrystal Ball.

Growstuff implied that Lady Hussey was undermining Ms Fulani I just reversed the scenario.

Check out Ms Fulani’s social media and her views on The King & Queen consort.

2 + 2 have never made 5.

GagaJo Thu 01-Dec-22 18:37:23

GrannyGravy13

GagaJo

Racial Microaggressions in Everyday Life: Implications for Clinical Practice.

“Where are you from?”
“Where were you born?”
“You speak good English.”

That’s an American study you linked to, their culture is rather different to the U.K.

What do you suggest people talk about on their first introductions if they are obviously of different colour/culture?

I am extremely interested in people one of the great joys of travelling the world is learning about different cultures by talking to people of different cultures.

Um, the things they have in common? Local stuff.

If one of my neighbours started going on about my grandson's ethnic origins, rather than chatting about how the old man up the street is doing, the pot hole in the road or the noise from the pub, I would think they were cracked.

As it happens, the very elderly couple in the house behind mine have never once referenced my family's ethnic origins. They are full of praise for my DGS's liveliness, how much he's grown, my DD's long working hours etc. They manage just fine without needing to mention race or ethnicity at all.

Oh, an American study? So the British can't be racist? Funny how it keeps being an issue isn't it?

Stop and search.
Racist royal speculating about the colour of a baby's skin.
PM calling women in hijab's letter boxes.
MP called immigrants vermin.
On and on and on.

MerylStreep Thu 01-Dec-22 18:38:15

I find it offensive that this woman uses the word abuse when she is dealing with women who know what abuse really is.

varian Thu 01-Dec-22 18:38:30

You don't have to look different to be asked a silly question. One of my friends (blond and fair skinned) went from New Zealand to the USA on a student exchange.

Part of the deal was that she had to go round ladies luncheon clubs, rotary clubs etc and give a talk on life in New Zealand. She was a bright girl and I'm sure her talk was most informative.

After the lecture she invited questions and got (I'm not making this up) - "is your hair naturally curly?" and "where did you learn to speak English?"

GagaJo Thu 01-Dec-22 18:38:57

I once had, 'Go back to where you came from' shouted at me in the street.

Turned around and said, 'Norfolk'?

DaisyAnne Thu 01-Dec-22 18:43:56

It's strange that when Nazir Afzal, who was at the same reception, was asked where he had come from, his reply "Manchester currently" was immediately accepted by the same lady. Or so he reports.

Obviously, the posters on here determined to see racism wherever there is a royal connection, will know exactly what did happen and why this means they need to demonise Lady Hussey even further.

eazybee Thu 01-Dec-22 18:44:19

I have been reading through previous posts and one states that Faluni was wearing a wire, which was regarded as irrelevant.
Is this true?
I thought it was illegal to record anyone's conversation without their consent.

Summerlove Thu 01-Dec-22 18:45:44

Callistemon21

^Because there's an awful lot of hate online^.

Isn't there just!!
Aren't all the vile comments and hatred just as bad?

She was wrong but so is much of the subsequent vile abuse.

Is it okay for people to "hate" the Duchess of Sussex? People often say here that as she's in a public post she should just expect and accept it. That she likely never reads it anyway so what does it matter what we say? A good gossip about here is totally acceptable

Why is that different in this case?

Granmarderby10 Thu 01-Dec-22 18:50:29

Ah God Bless her, this elderly flunky has lived for 80 odd years cloistered in the service of our late Queen, but sadly has learned nowt.
To her ( Lady? Hussey) it may well still be pre World War One. Nobody told her😔

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 18:57:58

Incidentally, marriage records list Ms Fulani as Ngozi M P Headley. She married a Mr Fulani.

MaizieD Thu 01-Dec-22 18:58:46

eazybee

I have been reading through previous posts and one states that Faluni was wearing a wire, which was regarded as irrelevant.
Is this true?
I thought it was illegal to record anyone's conversation without their consent.

We don't even know if it's true that she was wearing a wire.

But if she was, it's irrelevant to what SH actually said.

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 18:58:57

Not much vile abuse!

Urmstongran Thu 01-Dec-22 19:00:22

If one of my neighbours started going on about my grandson's ethnic origins, rather than chatting about how the old man up the street is doing, the pot hole in the road or the noise from the pub, I would think they were cracked

I get that, totally GagaJo and yet I think the setting here adds substance because this lady wanted to stand out and be noticed and different because she was wearing an outfit that reflected her ethnicity. It wasn’t as though she was in jeans and tee-shirt or a dress from FatFace. She was promoting herself in a completely unusual attire. Good for her, no problem with that at all but don’t be surprised lady if your unusual attire, not something seen on the High Street, arouses curiosity.

She can’t have it both ways. Lady Hussey was insensitive by persisting but she probably wanted to get to the bottom of the origins of the costume. Tactless, sure. Racist? No way.

growstuff Thu 01-Dec-22 19:00:58

DaisyAnne

It's strange that when Nazir Afzal, who was at the same reception, was asked where he had come from, his reply "Manchester currently" was immediately accepted by the same lady. Or so he reports.

Obviously, the posters on here determined to see racism wherever there is a royal connection, will know exactly what did happen and why this means they need to demonise Lady Hussey even further.

Why do you disbelieve Ms Fulani?

Why are you imagining that people are determined to see racism wherever there is a royal connection?

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