Reflecting the polls

Whitewavemark2

I’m saying with confidence that Trump won’t get in next time. I’m hoping he will be in the middle of a court case, or in prison for sedition.

I think you can be pretty confident. The GOP themselves are increasingly and decidedly getting tired of his obsession with 'the steal' and all the negative publicity he attracts which is damaging the party. Not to mention the dubious dinner guests he entertains.

... which reminds me, didn't Kanye West also say he might have a stab at the presidency? Although now he's been dropped by the top-flight fashion houses, he probably doesn't have enough greenbacks for a campaign.

I think I can predict confidently he - "Ye" as he likes to be called - will not achieve his 'fancy'. What do you think?

A huge country like America - where I'm sure there are many talented (and rational) people... and this is the best they can offer?

What bodes with our ever-closer relationship, our 'special' relationship, with the USA?

Grantanow

There's many a slip of course but it seems likely in this moment that Labour will form the next government, the Tories losing most of the red wall seats. However, Labour will inherit the most awful mess and the measures it will need to take will probably alienate many voters so it could well go out of office a few years later. A pity we lost the continuing 4% of GDP due to Brexit and no prospect of recovering it.

I think that Labour success in sorting out the awful mess will depend very much on whether they are stuck in the same economic rut as the tories are currently following, pretending that the only way to solve the problem is by cutting spending, or will revert to their 1950s Keynesian roots and undertake a massive programme of state investment to create jobs, improve wages and restore our public services.

I am doubtful that they will do that, though, with a Shadow Chancellor who seems to be following the same economic line as the tories, just claiming that Labour will do it better.

OTOH, the tory line is a line that voters seem to love when the right wing media can convince them that Labour will bankrupt the country...

I'm pleased that Labour are high in the polls, that they are winning by elections, and look almost certain to win the next general election, but I'm not altogether confident that they will sparkle in government...

Kandinsky

What will this board moan about all day when Labour are in charge?
They’ll be plenty of people twiddling their thumbs not having anything to have a go at.

You will be able to carry on having a moan though Kandinsky, it will be the Tory supporters turn in the anti government spotlight. 😁

No surprises the Tories did badly, it’s a long time until the next GE Labour should win convincingly, but lets not rule out a coalition with SNP, plenty of work to do.

What will this board moan about all day when Labour are in charge?
They’ll be plenty of people twiddling their thumbs not having anything to have a go at.

I’m looking forward to no longer having a government who governs by lies.

Grantanow

There's many a slip of course but it seems likely in this moment that Labour will form the next government, the Tories losing most of the red wall seats. However, Labour will inherit the most awful mess and the measures it will need to take will probably alienate many voters so it could well go out of office a few years later. A pity we lost the continuing 4% of GDP due to Brexit and no prospect of recovering it.

Agree 👏🏻👏🏻

dragonfly46

MaizieD

Thanks for this morning's laugh, Allsorts. 😆

What a thoroughly nasty uncalled for comment!
That is the reason I never post on these discussions!

That’s a typical left wing comment from the hard of thinking
dragonfly46 and yeah, nasty with it, you’re right.
I will maybe vote Labour, or Lib Dem but thought Allsorts makes some good points.👍🏻

Curtaintwitcher

The working classes have been betrayed by Boris Johnson, who managed to convince us that voting for his party would be the best choice. However, I don't think Starmer will put things right. At the moment, he seems to have realised that you have to appeal to the voters in order to get elected. Suddenly, he is saying all the right things, but I doubt his sincerity.

He didn’t manage to convince me.

MaizieD

Thanks for this morning's laugh, Allsorts. 😆

What a thoroughly nasty uncalled for comment!
That is the reason I never post on these discussions!

Farzanah, IMO they won’t publicise a lot of policies until shortly before the GE, in case the Tories pinch any obviously popular ones.

One such I heard mentioned by some Labour spokesperson recently, was abolishing non-dom status - and about time time too, IMO. AFAIK it’s an anachronism, introduced during Caribbean sugar plantation owners’ time.
Either you’re normally resident or you’re not, and if you are, you pay U.K. taxes.
IMO it’s been an avoidance tactic used - and misused - by very well off people for far too long.

I think the Labour Party will win by just doing nothing because the Tories have made such a mess.
However it’s not enough, people need hope that things will improve under a Labour government. The concern of voters are many but top of the list is the state of the health service, crumbling social care, ambulances waiting for hours outside A&E, difficulties getting a GP appointment, waiting for years for hospital treatment/surgery, and non existent local services.
Being Tory light is not enough, where are the policies?

Bigger than 60+%? The result reflected the polls.

The Labour lead is the best since the 90s.

I actually thought Labour would have a bigger proportion of the votes.

There's many a slip of course but it seems likely in this moment that Labour will form the next government, the Tories losing most of the red wall seats. However, Labour will inherit the most awful mess and the measures it will need to take will probably alienate many voters so it could well go out of office a few years later. A pity we lost the continuing 4% of GDP due to Brexit and no prospect of recovering it.

Whitewavemark2

I’m saying with confidence that Trump won’t get in next time. I’m hoping he will be in the middle of a court case, or in prison for sedition.

Hope your crystal ball is better than mine!!

I’m saying with confidence that Trump won’t get in next time. I’m hoping he will be in the middle of a court case, or in prison for sedition.

I said, with confidence, that Donald Trump would never become President!

Urmstongran

I think Labour will win the next GE.
Mind you, I’ve made predictions in the past .... 😁

I said, with confidence, the Boris Johnson would never become Prime Minister!
🤐

The working classes have been betrayed by Boris Johnson, who managed to convince us that voting for his party would be the best choice. However, I don't think Starmer will put things right. At the moment, he seems to have realised that you have to appeal to the voters in order to get elected. Suddenly, he is saying all the right things, but I doubt his sincerity.

Whitewavemark2

Yes - the Labour Party is picking up a huge millstone and some very urgent tasks.

But I think that they need to be brave and think outside the box.

Think post WW11.

So no need to panic but have a clear vision of what the U.K. will look like in the next few years and pursue it with the ruthlessness it needs by positive and active government intervention and following the Keynesian tools for growth.

Excellent post!

Some reasons why the Tories lost

£120bn to Tax Avoidance
£80bn to Brexit
£265bn to Government Corruption
£135bn to Privatised Energy
£80bn to the banks
£40bn to Water/Telecoms/Rail

£720bn, almost the entire tax revenue

We can’t afford the Tories

Yes - the Labour Party is picking up a huge millstone and some very urgent tasks.

But I think that they need to be brave and think outside the box.

Think post WW11.

So no need to panic but have a clear vision of what the U.K. will look like in the next few years and pursue it with the ruthlessness it needs by positive and active government intervention and following the Keynesian tools for growth.

I Agree with your post Dickens. Urmston is correct to highlight the importance of a proper plan to fund social care and to say the tories seem to be treading water.
A lot of research and efforts has gone into considering the best way of funding social care but nothing changes. The current plan seems to be increasing funding, giving it to the health service with the aim of it increasing beds in social care. That won’t happen. Any additional funding will be swallowed up by the nhs, with social care as ever left to struggle.
The current state of all,our public services is a disgrace. They’re run down with profits being made in areas that should be publicly funded and accountable.
Starmer has a huge task aheaf

With the boundary changes, especially in the South East, plus Scotland's SNP 's.
I think it's not going to be easy for a Labour majority.