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That reception - don't forget its message.

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Elegran Sun 04-Dec-22 10:01:57

The topic of the day on Gransnet is race, but amid the angry exchanges, don't forget what that reception was all about. It was to raise awareness of violence against women and girls as part of the UN 16 days of Activism against Gender-Based Violence.

A video of Camilla's speech at that reception is on Youtube. So are two previous speeches by her in previous years. Violence against women and girls is an endemic global problem that doesn't go away. The UN 16-day campaign should get equal coverage in the worldwide media and on social networks as the incident with Ms Fulani and Ms Hussey - but it seems to be over-shadowed.

Queen Consort Camilla in 2022 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7aKijYForA

The Duchess of Cornwall in 2021 - www.itv.com/news/2021-10-27/camilla-remembers-sarah-everard-and-sabina-nessa-among-women-lost-to-violence

The Duchess of Cornwall in 2020 - www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfrwcvD393E

MerylStreep Sun 04-Dec-22 12:33:40

Elegran
I’m sad to say that that is going to take a long long time.
I remember Jasmin Ali Brown talking about this many years ago. It was in reference to Asian girls she was teaching who appeared to all the world that they were living a normal life but she knew that when they went home they entered a completely different world. It messed with their heads 😥

Smileless2012 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:34:08

Actions speak louder than words, so we'll have to wait and see if they really mean it; everything crossed that they do.

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:39:53

The subject of the event has been made quite clear although some posters seem to be missing the point.

It was to raise awareness of violence against women and girls as part of the UN 16 days of Activism against Gender-Based Violence

Violence of all kinds happens around the world to women and girls irrespective of race, colour, religion.

Racism may be the subject of another UN Awareness Event because racism happens not just to women but to men too all around the world.

That is the difference and why this event is so important.

Perhaps someone can explain this better than me?

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:41:38

MerylStreep

Yeh!!!
Some wonderful news 😄

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11500253/Iran-ABOLISHES-morality-police-two-months-protests-triggered-death-Mahsa-Amini.html

I hope so.
I'm weeping.

Smileless2012 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:41:43

You've explained it perfectly Callistemon[smile}.

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:42:18

Thanks, I have been struggling with this.

Blossoming Sun 04-Dec-22 12:47:25

Something that I have noticed. There has been a lot of comment about the World Cup being held in a country where homosexuality is illegal, but nobody has mentioned that a man in Qatar can legally beat his wife.

Almost as though women are less important.

Galaxy Sun 04-Dec-22 12:50:29

I would say there are ways to tackle Male violence against women, if you look at some of the key factors that tend to be in the mix. Alcohol, previous history of domestic violence, etc. I also think its important to look at issues of porn, and the minimising of behaviours such as flashing, as theses tend to be red flags for further criminal behaviour.

VioletSky Sun 04-Dec-22 12:51:40

Oh dear, I wanted to give it a chance and see if I could explain but....

This is the "All lives matter" of violence to women

It just demonstrates the points made on the other thread

I wish everyone could see that

I'm glad some of us can

GrannyGravy13 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:57:42

Very good post Callistemon21

I have been a victim of DV, I felt shame and at one point thought it was my fault.

We are fortunate that we do not live in a Muslim/Arabic country where females are second class citizens with minimal rights in law.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:58:28

VioletSky

Oh dear, I wanted to give it a chance and see if I could explain but....

This is the "All lives matter" of violence to women

It just demonstrates the points made on the other thread

I wish everyone could see that

I'm glad some of us can

It is not about colour it’s about violence to ALL WOMEN

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:58:51

Galaxy

I would say there are ways to tackle Male violence against women, if you look at some of the key factors that tend to be in the mix. Alcohol, previous history of domestic violence, etc. I also think its important to look at issues of porn, and the minimising of behaviours such as flashing, as theses tend to be red flags for further criminal behaviour.

And Iran?
I doubt that is alcohol based.

Ukraine?
Rape is a weapon of war

Smileless2012 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:58:56

Almost as though women are less important in too many cultures they are Blossomingsad.

Stalking also needs to be taken far more seriously than it is Galaxy and you make a good point about flashing which at the very least shows a total respect for women.

Madgran77 Sun 04-Dec-22 12:59:53

Smileless2012

It's such an important issue Elegran and the statistics of women worldwide murdered by their partner or a family member, are horrifying.

Absolutely Smileless the statistics are shocking. The increased focus on this issue is so so important

Galaxy Sun 04-Dec-22 13:00:37

I was thinking more of domestic violence in this country when I talked about alcohol.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:02:12

Smileless2012

^Almost as though women are less important^ in too many cultures they are Blossomingsad.

Stalking also needs to be taken far more seriously than it is Galaxy and you make a good point about flashing which at the very least shows a total respect for women.

I can remember when I first started primary school that we were advised not to walk on one side of the road as there was a man who repeatedly flashed passing children and women

I would be curious to know what happened, if he ever was prosecuted (we moved away) ?

GrannyGravy13 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:03:36

Callistemon22 unfortunately rape of women and children has been used as a weapon of war since records began and before.

Madgran77 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:08:37

Violence of all kinds happens around the world to women and girls irrespective of race, colour, religion.

Sadly it does. And ONE of the causes of violence against women is racism. I think that was the point being made by VS but I'm sure she can confirm if she wishes to.

Anyway, from the perspective of the UN 16 day days of Activism against Gender based Violence, it is really great and a huge step forward that Camilla is continuing her long practised focus on DV using her position to draw attention to it and be part of the worldwide strategy to address Gender based Violence in all its forms

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:10:36

Galaxy

I was thinking more of domestic violence in this country when I talked about alcohol.

Yes, I realise.

But this is a UN initiative and the wife of our Head of State invited Heads of State and prominent women from around the world to discuss these worldwide issues. Amongst them were Queen Mathilde of Belgium, Queen Rania of Jordan, Crown Princess Mary of Denmark, Sierra Leone's First Lady Fatima Maada Bio, and Ukraine's First Lady Olena Zelenska.
Heads of charities, women who are aware and concerned about violence against women and girls.

I hope this raises awareness and it looks as if very small steps forward may be taking place in Iran.

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:13:18

The first time a man flashed (well, it wasn't a quick flash) at my friend and me we didn't understand what he was doing. We thought he didn't realise we could see him.
How naïve.

VioletSky Sun 04-Dec-22 13:16:20

Madgran77

*Violence of all kinds happens around the world to women and girls irrespective of race, colour, religion.*

Sadly it does. And ONE of the causes of violence against women is racism. I think that was the point being made by VS but I'm sure she can confirm if she wishes to.

Anyway, from the perspective of the UN 16 day days of Activism against Gender based Violence, it is really great and a huge step forward that Camilla is continuing her long practised focus on DV using her position to draw attention to it and be part of the worldwide strategy to address Gender based Violence in all its forms

Yes

We can acknowledge that, some women due to race, sexuality, age or disability status are more at risk and that doesn't detract from anyone else

Especially as age puts most of us in a more vulnerable group it should be easy to understand that

Smileless2012 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:19:52

Perpetrators making the abused feel guilty and responsible is a sure fire way of preventing or making it extremely difficult to seek help GrannyGravyflowers.

That man would most certainly have been charged today but thenhmm. The fact that he was known and mothers and their children were advised to walk on the other side of the road sadly suggests that he was allowed to get away with it.

Times have changed haven't they and there have been improvements when it comes to protecting women from abuse and violence, but there's still a long way to go.

Galaxy Sun 04-Dec-22 13:22:40

I dont know. Couzens was allowed to continue with his 'activities'.

halfpint1 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:24:19

My father was a bad tempered controlling man , my Mother
excused him even when he hit her as he 'had suffered during
the war'. After his death I asked her if she missed him, the
reply 'what do you think'!

Callistemon21 Sun 04-Dec-22 13:25:42

Galaxy

I dont know. Couzens was allowed to continue with his 'activities'.

I think it's getting worse.
The misogyny in police forces and other organisations is appalling.
It is being highlighted and tackled but not quickly enough.