Eddie Izzard not chosen to be Labour candidate for Sheffield Central.

That's an excellent little video from KJK (2 mins).

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

grannydarkhair

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

Yes you'd be voting for someone who likes and supports Tommy Robinson, who wants to see Gillick competence abolished, who has attended events and been photographed with holocaust deniers. Not to mention condemning the hijab. She has links with the Christian far right movement in the US and thought Trump was a better bet than Biden, because he "knows what a woman is" (someone you grab by the pussy if I remember rightly)
Honestly if she's an example of the gender critical God help women.

One person can't possibly act as an example of millions of others. God help us if people really believe that.

Here is someone who wants to have someone imprisoned (potentially for up to 25 years) for 'misgendering', which she did simply by saying that a male person on a list of the BBC's 'most inspiring and influential women' was incongruous.

Hilton (the one who wants to have the so-called 'misgendered' jailed) also wants to sue feminists when they are in jail, and have their seized assets given to transwomen.

Can you read this and say that reality-based feminists' fears of men exploiting female lists are unfounded? Can you still say that there are no men who will claim female status so that they can destroy us from within? That there are not misogynists in the trans community, and that until ways are found to ensure that they cannot corrupt the cause to further their women-hating aims there need to be curbs on their inclusion into women's spaces, including female competitions and lists.

How can you read that, or the stories of a 'woman' impregnating a child after pretending to her family that 'she' is a friend (upthread) and say that you support the men in these cases but are a feminist? It makes no sense to me.

And yes, I know that these cases are unusual, which is why they are in the media, but surely ways should be found to prevent the possibility of their happening before men are given unfettered access to our spaces, shortlists, competitions and awards? And yes, I know that the issue is complex and easy answers are not easy to find, but shouldn't the solutions be found by the people wanting the changes, rather than women being told that it's too bad if we don't like it, and we should find ways to accommodate them, and if we don't, we should be vilified, mocked, patronised and in extreme cases imprisoned and stripped of our financial assets?

For those who don't like embedded links, the source is here:
reduxx.info/bbcs-top-100-women-list-honors-trans-politician-attempting-to-have-a-feminist-imprisoned-for-misgendering-him/

Glorianny

grannydarkhair

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

Yes you'd be voting for someone who likes and supports Tommy Robinson, who wants to see Gillick competence abolished, who has attended events and been photographed with holocaust deniers. Not to mention condemning the hijab. She has links with the Christian far right movement in the US and thought Trump was a better bet than Biden, because he "knows what a woman is" (someone you grab by the pussy if I remember rightly)
Honestly if she's an example of the gender critical God help women.

Would love to see your evidence for those accusations Glorianny….

I feel that the issue of women's safety is being co opted by right wingers like KJK. And that is very worrying.

I dont know that KJK is gender critical, she may classify herself as that I dont know but she certainly didnt see herself as a feminist. I dont agree with many of posies actions but I dont agree with India Willoughby who has been racist, mocked gay women for not being feminine enough, etc etc.
I dont like Trump but if he said the earth was round I would agree with him.

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Pause for thought.

BeverleyJB

Glorianny

grannydarkhair

If it happens, and I have no doubt it will, at least you’d know if you voted for KJK that you’d voted for someone who actually believes what she says and isn’t just following the party line.
I still chuckle when I think of “I’m not a vet, but I know what a dog is”.

Yes you'd be voting for someone who likes and supports Tommy Robinson, who wants to see Gillick competence abolished, who has attended events and been photographed with holocaust deniers. Not to mention condemning the hijab. She has links with the Christian far right movement in the US and thought Trump was a better bet than Biden, because he "knows what a woman is" (someone you grab by the pussy if I remember rightly)
Honestly if she's an example of the gender critical God help women.

Would love to see your evidence for those accusations Glorianny….

Even Jean Hatchet- a gender critical feminist to the core-acknowledges that the movement is being taken over by right wing extremists. And much as I disagree with her views I dislike the extremism now being projected by both sides.https://thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

thecritic.co.uk/men-of-the-far-right-and-the-womens-movement/

And for repealing Gillick
www.workersliberty.org/story/2022-09-13/collaboration-between-transphobic-feminists-and-far-right-some-facts

Do you agree with the statements made by India Willoughby on race, on lesbians? I dont expect you do. Do you agree with the fact that within the tavistock the whistleblowers said some transitions were driven by homophobia. Conversion therapy in other words. Not particularly a left wing belief.

I support female rights especially when they conflict with TW rights. If you support male rights before those of females . . .

Actually that's not a bad article Glorianny it talks about how feminists are faced by trans activists screaming 'facist' in the face of left wing feminists and the right stirring the pot on the other side. Jokers on the left jokers on the right and here we are stuck in the middle.

Only had time to read the first link but it makes, I think, an important point. This issue of protecting women's rights is being framed as left versus right and that is not how it is.
People will vote for KJK because of this one issue and she will stand against the Labour party and take votes away from them.
The right wing are using women for their own ends. The left must find a way to counteract this or we will just end up with another right wing Government and this country just cannot afford that.

When I last posted, I was going to say more but it was late/early and I was going off to my bed as I was tired.
Reasons for me to like KJK - she has probably done more than anyone in the UK to make people aware of issues like TIMs using women’s toilets, of them being in women’s prisons, etc.,etc. The billboard campaign was simple and brilliant, easily understood by all. When she is interviewed, what she says is again, easily understood by all. I’m a fairly average UK woman, have never thought of myself as a feminist, don’t have a degree, but I am literate and widely read and I do struggle to understand some of the writings of left leaning feminists. I never fail to understand KJK.
She is fearless with regards to facing up to the black garbed, hooded, face-hidden trans activists who violently disrupt every event she organises. She has had countless threats, both overt and covert, made against her and her children.
She stands up for women and that is her bottom line.

Reasons for me to dislike KJK - she does appear to have links/be associated with some, imo, very dodgy characters. She does appear to be far more right wing in her thinking than I could or would ever want to be.

If there was a general election next week, and there was a “standing for women” candidate, then yes I would vote for her. All the major political parties in Scotland have been “captured”, the Scottish Govt is determined to pass the GRR bill and I feel for the first time in my life truly politically homeless. I could not bring myself to vote for someone who ignores biological facts, believes that TWAW and TMAM, or even just follows the party line although they are not true believers in this ideological nonsense.

Ilovecheese I totally agree, voting for KJK would almost certainly take votes away from Labour but they are doing nothing to stop that happening. And I know the last thing we need as a country is many more years of a Conservative Govt.

I agree. I have said for a while that trans supporters are framing this as left/right deliberately. One of my first posts on here was asking a question about the insistence that gender non-conforming young people must be trans was regressive was met with a patronising reply that I must be Right wing. At the time I assumed that the poster just had a tentative grip on what Left or Right actually means, but then I realised that it was being said spitefully, as a way of writing off views that differed from her own as small-minded or authoritarian.

The fact that the Guardian has sold out to the trans lobby does not make it a Right wing cause - it has more to do with the funding of the paper coming from trans-supporting people and organisations. The truth is not that fact-based feminists are Right wing, but that the Left has become captured by Stonewall and its misogynist ideology.

Suzanne Moore discusses how this has happened in this article and there is more on the overseeing of the Guardian here

All the major political parties in Scotland have been “captured” and the Guardian has sold out to the trans lobby.

One begins to suspect a view of the world which is not entirely objective.

My understanding of Scottish politics is not as comprehensive as yours, volver. Which party would you say has not bought into the TWAW narrative?

Well your quotation pre-supposes a certain view of trans affairs, in which your understanding is much greater than mine. So I decline to answer.

Just that when we talk about everybody being "captured", and newspapers selling out, I start to see a little "paranoia". Sorry to use that word, because I know it has connotations but I'm using it in the way people use it in conversation, not in the medical sense.

volver What’s objective about thinking that people can change sex?

Whose quotation?

My understanding comes from the media in England, so it's most unlikely that I know more about Scottish politics than you, but I only hear Joanna Cherry make any sense on the subject. The SNP has sold women out altogether, you never hear from Scottish Tories 'down here' and Labour are hopeless on the subject whichever country they represent.

Sorry, question, not quotation. Typo.

In this case “captured” is the word used by the gender critical to describe any organisation that does think TWAW, TMAM, etc. For the individual, when you become aware of some/all of the issues, you are said to have “peaked”. I have no idea when or who first decided to these these words but I certainly don’t think I’m paranoid in any way for holding the views that I do.