Festival of Brexit was ‘monumental cock-up’, MPs tell culture secretary

I'm still here 🤣🤣🤣 I'm trying to be respectful, thank you for saying that. Its REALLY hard when you say things like Incremental steps will be taken towards our goal of self governing.

You know the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU, right?

You’re not actually haranguing me tonight volver.
I think you’re being respectful.
Thank you.

The Civil Service don’t like Brexit. Obstacles are put in the way of change like land mines. Boom!

Slowly though, changes will be made. Incremental steps will be taken towards our goal of self governing. We will, in time, look at the ECHR and that duplicitous add on by Blair that is thwarting how we would like the UK to be. A country that can not control its porous borders is a sick joke.

Urmstongran

Of course it’s too early to tell.
Global events have skewed the agenda.

With respect Urms...

You believe "them" when they tell you all the problems could be because of something else. But it is quite possible to say, "this went wrong because of Brexit/Ukraine/whatever". To identify cause and effect.

Throwing our hands in the air and saying we have no idea what causes things to happen isn't valid. People know. It's not one of the mysteries of the age.

Anyway, I'll go and stop haranguing you now.

BlueBelle

I didn’t know it had happened or was happening if it has or if it is it must be a very damp squid
That money should go to the NHS and pay for a lot of what is needed

I've never heard of it either.

Of course it’s too early to tell.
Global events have skewed the agenda.

Actually lifejacket of false hope was very impressive.
I just don’t happen to think (long term) it applies!
😁

So, where shall I start....? In order...

It's not too early to tell.

Brexit had nothing to do with independence, and the fact that you write that kinda proves the points in my previous post.

I don't think you're stupid. Just a bit too willing to believe people who offer a simple solution to complex problems.

I'm sure you voted according to your heart. Most of us vote according to our heads.

Ah volver you might end up being right. Who knows?
It’s too early to tell.

As a fellow ‘independence from ...’ lover (Indyref2 for you) surely you can understand my hope and aspirations?

I don’t think I’m stupid.
I read a lot (and really NOT just the Telegraph) and I voted* according to my heart.
* some folk couldn’t even be bothered (polite word) to vote yet probably moan the most.
😊

Urmstongran

Brexit was always going to be ‘work in progress’. We haven’t capitalised yet on it. A Festival as such was too early or even a silly idea. We were in the EU for 40+ years and we beeb out for what? Perhaps 40 months?

Indeed, we have so far achieved next to nothing. This is partly because the British approach was first to enshrine all EU law in British law and then to set about a detailed investigation of such laws, leading to some being substantially amended or rejected. Only now are we coming to the point where such an examination is about to take place. The Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill is still passing through Parliament!

As (and when) it is passed, there will be much to play for. The real fight for substantial Brexit benefits will then begin.

Oh dear.

Urmstongran

Brexit was always going to be ‘work in progress’. We haven’t capitalised yet on it. A Festival as such was too early or even a silly idea. We were in the EU for 40+ years and we beeb out for what? Perhaps 40 months?

Indeed, we have so far achieved next to nothing. This is partly because the British approach was first to enshrine all EU law in British law and then to set about a detailed investigation of such laws, leading to some being substantially amended or rejected. Only now are we coming to the point where such an examination is about to take place. The Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill is still passing through Parliament!

As (and when) it is passed, there will be much to play for. The real fight for substantial Brexit benefits will then begin.

Sorry Urmstongran I hope you don't take this too personally.

I don't think you are a lost cause. I think you believe what the suits from GB News etc tell you because it's on the telly or in the papers and so it must be true. Perhaps you believed what they told you about Brexit and can't bear to think it might have all been a lie? The Retained Law Act will just make things worse. What will you use as an excuse when things are still a disaster after that's done with?

It's time to let go of the lifejacket of false hope though. Brexit has been an almighty failure, and still will be in 40+ years, if we haven't gone back in.

lifejacket of false hope. I'm quite taken with that. I might use it again. 🙂

I like you um but you’re in unicorn land

We've had the pandemic, then the war - now real concerns about the cost of living - to deal with, so Brexit seems to be in the distant past. Of course, it's quite recent and still a work in progress.

Brexit was always going to be ‘work in progress’. We haven’t capitalised yet on it. A Festival as such was too early or even a silly idea. We were in the EU for 40+ years and we beeb out for what? Perhaps 40 months?

Indeed, we have so far achieved next to nothing. This is partly because the British approach was first to enshrine all EU law in British law and then to set about a detailed investigation of such laws, leading to some being substantially amended or rejected. Only now are we coming to the point where such an examination is about to take place. The Retained EU Law (Revocation and Reform) Bill is still passing through Parliament!

As (and when) it is passed, there will be much to play for. The real fight for substantial Brexit benefits will then begin.

I can't remember who it was who pointed out that we could have saved public money if we had just given all of those people tickets to the best seats in the Vienna Opera House, airfares and all inclusive hotel costs..

A bit like Johnson's Bridge - funded by the public and mismanaged by the Garden Bridge Trust.

The following is an excerpt from Crowd Justice about project.

" The procurement of architects and engineers was rigged to benefit a team already deep in discussion with the then-Mayor (Boris Johnson) and his officials at City Hall.

The Mayor, Deputy Mayor and lead designer had already travelled to San Francisco to seek sponsorship from Apple for a bridge design that had not even been procured yet (they didn’t get it).

Transport for London – supposedly overseeing the public investment in the project – allowed the Garden Bridge Trust to sign a £100 million construction contract for the Bridge, before the Trust had secured a full planning consent, raised all the money they needed or even acquired the necessary land. Of the £43 million loss to the taxpayer, some £20 million was paid to a builder for a project that was never built.

This extraordinary decision was approved by a single TFL official who – at that precise moment – was in his ‘notice period’ having already accepted a position at Arup, the bridge’s engineer (who received some £13 million over the course of the project). "

The original cost was estimated at £60 million but it quickly grew to nearly £200 million.

Compare this with the Millenium Bridge which cost £18.2 million plus a further £5 million to deal with the problems cause by everyone walking in step.

I didn’t know it had happened or was happening if it has or if it is it must be a very damp squid
That money should go to the NHS and pay for a lot of what is needed

66 million is the whole UK population.

That seems a bit ambitious, even allowing for tourists attending too.

I thought it had been and gone, ages ago .

I guess that people don't feel much like celebrating Brexit or anything much, what with the way things have been since this was first suggested.

I expect it was organised by one of the cronies.

Why am I not surprised?