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Capsized boat in the channel - 30 to 50 on board

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GagaJo Wed 14-Dec-22 09:53:57

I can't imagine the horror of this. Poor, poor people.

People are reported to have died after a small migrant boat capsized in the English Channel off the coast of Kent, near Dungeness.

A major search and rescue operation is ongoing, and between 30 to 50 people are said to have been on board the vessel when it ran into difficulties, according to a French source.

Searches will continue all day, but at this stage many are feared dead given the freezing conditions of the water, a separate source has told Sky News.

uk.yahoo.com/news/rescue-under-way-english-channel-080600581.html

DaisyAnne Wed 14-Dec-22 18:14:26

MaizieD

25Avalon

This is why this migration by small boats needs to be stopped. Not only are these migrants risking their lives in freezing cold waters but now local people can’t access A&E either. Emergency services are searching in awful conditions. There has to be a better way. We either stop it completely like Australia or we have a better system in place for migrants to legally apply. The traffickers who organise the boats have blood on their hands.

All we need to do is to stop demonising these poor people, provide a safe route and process their asylum applications promptly and effectively once they get here. Tories are playing with these people's lives by using them as a political strategy.

We will never stop them trying to get here.

Exactly.

Miriah Wed 14-Dec-22 18:23:14

They can be rescued with God all things are possible

2J8DATLAS Wed 14-Dec-22 18:46:36

Exactly

volver Wed 14-Dec-22 19:19:53

God's not going to help them out. God didn't help them much in their home countries, did he?

volver Wed 14-Dec-22 19:35:49

On another thread today somebody said it was the first time that posts on GN had made her weep. This thread’s the same.

It seems to me there are 2 things going on here.

There are people who cannot conceive that they or their families could ever be in such a situation. They can’t conceive that they might have been born into a situation which is untenable for them, where their very existence is threatened daily. Where they can’t live the life they want. Not flat screen TVs and “the latest iPhone”, just daily life, unthreatened and with the prospect of an education and a job for themselves and their families. “I’d just stay in Qatar” indeed. Anyone who cites the Australian model for stopping migrants arriving by sea has absolutely no idea what they are talking about. People went mad because of that policy. People took their own lives. I for one would not want to live in a country that looks at that model now and thinks, “oh, that’s a good idea”.

Then there are those that are so worried about their tax and where its going. There’s the so-called significant amount “given” to France recently. £8million. A day’s cost for hotel accommodation. That’s not significant, its negligible. As for £2bn a year on hotel accommodation? That’s less than a quarter of the money that was wasted on useless PPE during the pandemic. It’s about 3% of the money given to Dido Harding’s team for a test and trace system that didn’t work. Then there’s the people who think an extra 40,000 people a year are crippling the NHS and the education system, and it's them who are stopping British people accessing services. It’s 12 years of Tory government that are stopping people accessing services.

This is GN Cliché, I know – but there are some days I do despair.

Callistemon21 Wed 14-Dec-22 20:40:04

volver

God's not going to help them out. God didn't help them much in their home countries, did he?

I presume they'll get their reward in Heaven.

Let's hope it's worth it.

VioletSky Wed 14-Dec-22 21:23:28

It's genuinely depressing around here at the moment

GrannyGravy13 Wed 14-Dec-22 21:26:47

I am an old school Conservative, my heart breaks at what is happening in the U.K. at the moment.

DaisyAnne Wed 14-Dec-22 21:43:10

GrannyGravy it is very depressing. It will change - I'm very fond of "this too shall pass" to keep me going.

MayBee70 Wed 14-Dec-22 21:45:30

GrannyGravy13

I am an old school Conservative, my heart breaks at what is happening in the U.K. at the moment.

Do you listen to The Rest is Politics podcast? That’s pretty much where Rory Stewart is at the moment.

Callistemon21 Wed 14-Dec-22 21:47:12

VioletSky

It's genuinely depressing around here at the moment

There always seems to be at least one tragedy before Christmas.

Or perhaps it's because everything is felt more keenly in the season of goodwill.

We must never forget the Penlee Lifeboat Disaster.

Please support the RNLI. They are all brave volunteers.

Casdon Thu 15-Dec-22 14:51:10

And Bang goes the they were all economic migrants theory, there were 12 unaccompanied children on the boat, and it says that women and children are amongst those still fighting for their lives in hospital. Surely some compassion is called for.
news.sky.com/story/teen-among-four-people-who-died-in-channel-tragedy-and-at-least-12-unaccompanied-children-rescued-12768723

Quokka Thu 15-Dec-22 15:06:52

Did anyone listen to this year’s Reith Lectures The Four Freedoms? Particularly relevant might be the Freedom from Want and the Freedom from Fear.

Have a listen. Very powerful.

HousePlantQueen Thu 15-Dec-22 15:17:57

Just a quick reminder again to the hard of thinking; the very people demonising 'economic migrants' ie Sunak, Patel, Braverman etc are all children born in the UK to parents who decided to move to another country to improve the lives and prospects for their families. They were economic migrants

Franbern Thu 15-Dec-22 17:46:34

Whitewavemark2

25Avalon

This is why this migration by small boats needs to be stopped. Not only are these migrants risking their lives in freezing cold waters but now local people can’t access A&E either. Emergency services are searching in awful conditions. There has to be a better way. We either stop it completely like Australia or we have a better system in place for migrants to legally apply. The traffickers who organise the boats have blood on their hands.

They need easy and identifiable routes.

They need to be able to check in to a centre at the French coast and then be taken to the U.K. by Ferry where their application for asylum is dealt with quickly and efficiently.

Once identified as a refugee they can then work and help fill all the vacant posts.

Those minority who are not deemed to be refugees should be sent back to their own country asap.

Simple - but not apparently for this government who appears to be unable to organise a piss-up in a brewery.

IF....our government really meant what they say about stopping the traffickers -then this is exactly what needs to be done as outlined by WW
The 'blood' is on the hands of this government who have deliberately failed to do anything like this - so intent are they are building up hatred against these poor people.

How many more are going to need to die in this and other dreadful ways, before the UK Government is actually forced to start obeying international law??

DaisyAnne Thu 15-Dec-22 20:53:36

The 'blood' is on the hands of this government who have deliberately failed to do anything like this - so intent are they are building up hatred against these poor people.

Absolutely Franbern. I wasn't listening carefully and had the sound turned down a bit, but I thought I just heard the man from the RNLI call this "competitive migration". Whether he did or didn't that is exactly what our government has turned it into. My immediate thoughts went to the film "They shoot horses, don't they?"

growstuff Fri 16-Dec-22 18:35:15

HousePlantQueen

Just a quick reminder again to the hard of thinking; the very people demonising 'economic migrants' ie Sunak, Patel, Braverman etc are all children born in the UK to parents who decided to move to another country to improve the lives and prospects for their families. *They were economic migrants*

Most of the people on the boat on Wednesday were Afghans, including women and children.