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Scotland's Gender Recognition Reform Bill to be debated today 20 Dec & voted on 21 Dec

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grannydarkhair Tue 20-Dec-22 21:19:05

Tbh, the number who voted for the amendments has surprised and encouraged me a tiny wee bit, I thought it would be far fewer.

FarNorth Tue 20-Dec-22 21:13:37

I guess they don't care if the system is abused, and girls & women put at risk, as long as we get the Bill shoved through before Xmas. angry

grannydarkhair Tue 20-Dec-22 21:06:52

The women in the viewing gallery were told they’d be arrested if they didn’t leave. I think they were allowed back in later. How anyone could vote against these amendments is beyond me. Imagine believing that known sex offenders won’t abuse the system, how naive or just plain stupid can you be?

Smileless2012 Tue 20-Dec-22 19:18:38

Scotland

Smileless2012 Tue 20-Dec-22 19:18:15

If I was living in Scotalnd I'd be leaving asap.

FarNorth Tue 20-Dec-22 18:35:17

From Mumsnet.

FarNorth Tue 20-Dec-22 14:39:55

The SNP Minister asked Findlay not to proceed with his proposed amendments.
Can it really get any more ridiculous?

FarNorth Tue 20-Dec-22 14:38:05

Russell Findlay, Conservative MSP, has said :
"I’m trying to stop sex offenders from being able to exploit Nicola Sturgeon’s self-ID bill.

Now, at the 11th hour, an SNP minister is trying to block these and other vital amendments."

mobile.twitter.com/RussellFindlay1/status/1605155200444112897

Smileless2012 Tue 20-Dec-22 13:56:24

IMO sense and logic are in very short supply throughout this GRR Bill Oreoangry.

Smileless2012 Tue 20-Dec-22 13:54:47

As the amendment to prevent a convicted sex offender obtaining a GRC has already been turned down, I can't say I'm hopeful that the one to prevent someone waiting to go to trial for a sex offence from obtaining one, will be successful either FarNorth.

Oreo Tue 20-Dec-22 13:54:16

How can anyone reasonable vote against those amendments?
No sense or logic in it at all.

FarNorth Tue 20-Dec-22 13:51:10

The Gender Recognition Reform Bill is to be debated today from around 2.30pm, which can be watched online here :

www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/meeting-of-the-parliament-december-20-2022

An amendment, to prevent convicted sex offenders from getting a GRC, has already been turned down.
I find it absolutely appalling that MSPs prioritise the 'rights' of sex offenders over those of female people who have to give evidence about them or have to be locked in prison with them.

There is to be another amendment, seeking to prevent someone awaiting trial for a sex offence from gaining a GRC before the trial.
If that passes, it means that some women may be saved from having to call their attacker a woman, and 'she, during testimony but other women won't, if the attacker already has a GRC.

Here is further comment on the Bill, which is 99% certain to pass - going by responses from MSPs to constituents.
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b4394972-7fba-11ed-933d-2ad94f4b2285?shareToken=aec62a31aa53d099338147c9449c9aa6&fbclid=IwAR1U8SJbsKDxzkNI2xxQEG-F_WvW3dLsxPRw8mqTShXNU4NmdWhFxGG-rzI
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