Scotland's Gender Recognition Reform Bill to be debated today 20 Dec & voted on 21 Dec

I read yesterday that Rishi Sunak's preparing to block the bill. Fingers crossed.

I think the countries going daft, Changing sex on demand, just listening to these people is astounding never mind government considering it. Women and children in refuges escaping violent partners they wont be safe for a start. It’s all very creepy. If Keir Starmer supports it, well I hope Labour think it’s worth losing an election when it comes.

The Westminster Labour Party should also take note of that poll, given Starmer's disgraceful support for it. It has the potential to lose them the next GE after all.

There's a poll within that Times article . Here's how it's going so far.

MSPs voted on an amendment to the Bill, to prohibit sex offenders from gaining a GRC.

Most Tory MSPs, most Labour MSPs and a few SNP MSPs defying the SNP whip, voted for that amendment.
The rest voted against it and the amendment was defeated, meaning that the Scottish Parliament has voted in favour of male sex offenders being able to obtain a 'legal sex' of 'female'.

Here is one woman's account of being in Parliament and hearing that decision.

womenvotingwithourfeet.wordpress.com/2022/12/29/shame-belongs-to-parliament-not-protestors/?fbclid=IwAR3KLa7-2c2BR0tueV91YaAXa7LXlRnGiuaYzpDdw-3BRxEwEM2npdmRpQc

"In June 2022, I volunteered my time to speak to the committee about how self-ID has and will continue to negatively impact upon me as a survivor. It was not an easy offer to make, no less because, in June 2022, I was also due in the sheriff court to face my rapist, already a convicted sex offender."

The latest on the Scottish Gender Recognition Reform Bill -

"The Scottish government said: “The bill as passed is within legislative competence and was backed by an overwhelming majority, with support from all parties. Any attempt to undermine the democratic will of the Scottish parliament will be vigorously contested.”"

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9864f1e4-8ea9-11ed-a321-77184a1c82e4?shareToken=fedb2f17dc4142cf25b5e9d79d49d457&fbclid=IwAR1Sq7HsjB-aV9lfg0L1iPqhAJ5Un50GCmrb499Qd_VlaJbxJNasU_NHh58
(No paywall)

Far North wrote:

"Caleo you have to go the whole hog and demand that everyone believe you are 21.
(Don't mention it to anyone paying you a pension, tho)"

This is the thing! If you change into a woman, how will that advantage you socially or financially? After all, it's hard to believe anyone goes to all that trouble of sex change
only to have fun with make up and pretty dresses.

Gender is a piece of nonsense unless you are a Taliban. In a free country you can behave how you like as long as it's legal.

For instance if I so desired I, at the age of 91, may do any behaviour I desire , even if the world think I am not acting my age.

Oreo

Dickens may I call you Charles?😄
I agree with you 100% btw
I think some men think they can be anything and do anything and get away with it,

... Charles, Charlie, Charlotte, Carl - whatever!

I think some men think they can be anything and do anything and get away with it.

They can. And they do. Because debate is transphobic. People have lost their jobs through questioning the issues involved. You can ask that there is a safe space or place for vulnerable women and girls who have been violated by a man - at the moment.

Will debate and safe spaces eventually be outlawed? Who knows.

Caleo you have to go the whole hog and demand that everyone believe you are 21.
(Don't mention it to anyone paying you a pension, tho)

An article from Jo Bartosch on the progress made in 2022, on women's rights .

www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/26/three-cheers-for-terf-island/?fbclid=IwAR2fLUyjHwDII3wlSt8nxf8gCUvgugjVdNBWuGrr7KEilZfmq50HRsUqkJ0

"As 2022 draws to a close, it’s time to raise a glass of eggnog to these no-nonsense middle-aged women speaking truth to power. Over the past 12 months, these Amazonians in sensible shoes have shone a light on the activities of trans lobby groups in courtrooms, workplaces and the public square. And thanks to their efforts, the era of ‘no debate’ on the trans issue has melted into a grubby puddle."

I'm an old person with body dysmorphia. I regret that my body is misshapen and hairless compared with how it used to be. Should I demand plastic surgery or chemical intervention?

Brilliant Mollygo.

Dickens may I call you Charles?😄
I agree with you 100% btw
I think some men think they can be anything and do anything and get away with it,

Mollygo

Great song Mollygo

FarNorth

Here's an interview with the Wii Spa man - of another non-event that didn't happen.
He's a sex offender who was naked in a women's changing room. He has a legal identity as female and continues to present as a typical male.

www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/exclusive-transgender-fugitive-who-spurred-wi-spa-riots-bares-all/

It’s not for me to adapt to society at this point. Even if it’s the polite thing to do or you want me to or there’s a controversy or whatever, if nobody else is using a shower curtain or nobody else is using a swimsuit, it’s illegal to try and make me do it. Technically, and from all perspectives, I am female

I have heterosexual sex because my penis fits in a vagina. I don’t tell women I’m with that I’m transgender because that’s not my sex. So I’m not faking anything. Gender is internal, sex is external.

You have to understand gender identity. Everybody’s confusing your internal with your external. All these external people are doing what is being called transitioning. There’s no transition. That’s called deviation. I’m tired of that word.

The only thing I'm understanding is that women are supposed to adapt to whatever, and whomever, he's decided - internally - to relate, as he navigates his gender identity.

And I'm puzzled as to why he thinks that a trans woman who identifies as female and attempts to change their physical appearance to reflect the physical characteristics of the sex they identify with - is a "deviant". Because to my staggered mind, a trans woman who identifies as female, wanting to physically appear as female - has a logic. If they want to look like a woman as well as identify as one - how can this possibly be a deviation?

I admit I'm confused.

👍

This will probably get me at least deleted but it’s something that applies to ANY TW who parades his maleness or uses his equipment whilst claiming to be a ‘woman’.
They have made it so difficult for the quietly existing TW - but do they care? No!
Sing along to the transjenner song
If a person has a penis, he’s a man 👏👏
If a person has a penis, he’s a man 👏👏
If he doesn’t want to lose it
Even though he doesn’t use it
If a person has a penis, he’s a man 👏👏

If a person has a nutsack, he’s a man
If a person has a nutsack, he’s a man
He can tuck it to conceal it
Let it dangle and reveal it
If a person has a nutsack, he’s a man

If he amputates his bits, he’s still a man
If he grows a pair of tits, he’s still a man
If the chromosome’s a “Y”
HE WILL ALWAYS BE A GUY ……..
If he isn’t born a woman, he’s a man.

Here's an interview with the Wii Spa man - of another non-event that didn't happen.
He's a sex offender who was naked in a women's changing room. He has a legal identity as female and continues to present as a typical male.

www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/exclusive-transgender-fugitive-who-spurred-wi-spa-riots-bares-all/

It doesn't matter if we can tell the difference since all men are now welcome in all women's places.

Scottish Women's Aid, for instance, tells us they have had no problems at all in 15 years of trans inclusion.
Possibly because, until recent years, no-one knew they were trans inclusive (apart from ScotGov, who make it a condition of funding) and there have been very few transwomen.

Now, tho, someone like this man might turn up, on his best behaviour & claiming to need help.
Should they let him in? And how much of a refuge will it seem to the women then, even if he is not aggressive, or if he is?
Should they refuse him for looking too much like a man? And maybe they'll suddenly have a male aggression problem.

Claiming that men can be women is complete madness.

Why is this person not trans? Because you say so. If you create a category that is defined by words and wishful thinking alone then of course they can be trans.

""I don't believe this individual is a trans woman, he is a man who has found another way to intimidate women whom we clearly does not identify with, nor like - unless they are submissive to his demands, which is the trait of a misogynist."

Just so. We need to recognise, protect genuine and vulnerable transwomen precisely because of this.

No easy answer to, "well how do we know" except, "By their deeds you will know them"

Like others, who transgress decent behaviour, whoever they are.

FarNorth

An example of the 'no problems' happening in other countries.
This one is Brazil.

reduxx.info/brazil-female-student-assaulted-by-trans-identified-male-over-washroom-access-says-she-was-afraid-of-dying/

The trans woman also identifies as a homosexual man. They can be whatever they want to be then, at any given point?

The aggression was typical male aggression - demanding "respect" and reminding the woman that the hand could find her face.

... know your place, women. And be kind. Or else. If a male-bodied individual with a penis tells you "I'm a woman", you'd better believe it.

This absolutely enrages me. I'm sure it's not an everyday occurrence - anywhere - and most trans women just get on with their every day lives coming and going quietly like everyone else, but one instance like this is one too many.

The aggression is horrendous and the accusations of transphobia are more and more absurd. I don't believe this individual is a trans woman, he is a man who has found another way to intimidate women whom we clearly does not identify with, nor like - unless they are submissive to his demands, which is the trait of a misogynist.

Parading around in a pair of jeans does not make me a man, and donning a dress does not make a man a woman.

An example of the 'no problems' happening in other countries.
This one is Brazil.

reduxx.info/brazil-female-student-assaulted-by-trans-identified-male-over-washroom-access-says-she-was-afraid-of-dying/

I wouldn't say I enjoyed the video, exactly. I did know most of that already but it's quite startling to see it all in one place.
Mr Menno's presentation is always so creative, tho.