the church of england has never crpwned a divorced King

MawtheMerrier

^Most from the rest of the world would not and always express great surprise^

Remind me of how familiar most of us here on GN are with the 10 branches (if that’s the word) of Islam? The various denominations of Judaism? The three main branches of Buddhism - Theravada, Mahayana, and Vajrayana ?
And they have the temerity to express surprise at varying degrees of churchmanship within the Anglican Communion.
Good grief!

That was about Maws comment

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History has a huge influence on the realities of today- and the OP, re a divorced man becoming the Head of the CofE- despite him not being very comfortable with it.

How can anyone say the CofE has not a massive influence on today's Britain, still- when the Government is still very strongly linked to one Church, the CodE Bishops being the only ones (and quite a lot of them) in the Lords, and large section of the judiciary and the education system directly linked to it.

Around the world, you are right, the Catholic Church is much more influential- but this thread is about Charles, a divorced man, married to a divorced woman, becoming the Head of the Church, eg the Church of England.

Millions of tourists come to visit the UK and visit our great Cathedrals and watch in their millions, Coronations, weddings and funerals of our Kings and Queens, and such series as The Crown- and they do remark, and they do ask - if the CofE Protestant? Really. Yes they do- believe it or not. And laugh around the floor- fine by me.

Lathyrus

Well, that’s what I was thinking.

But inexplicably it got turned into me being anti Catholic and English🙄

Don't know why I'm joining in really, the Anglican church is disestablished in Wales

Disestablishmentarianism happened a hundred years ago 🙂

but this thread is about Charles, a divorced man, married to a divorced woman, becoming the Head of the Church, eg the Church of England

I've been to weddings in the C of E between divorced people.

I don't understand why anyone who says they are not a Christian should be in the slightest bit bothered about it if the Head of the Anglican Communion is happy. 🤔
If Justin Welby is not happy I'm sure we'll hear about it.

and they do remark, and they do ask - if the CofE Protestant? Really. Yes they do- believe it or not. And laugh around the floor- fine by me.

I can't believe most of them are that ignorant. And find it funny.
Truly.

Millions of tourists come to visit the UK and visit our great Cathedrals and watch in their millions, Coronations, weddings and funerals of our Kings and Queens
Really?
On other threads we are told they're not a bit interested in the Royal Family. 🤔

and such series as The Crown
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Yes, one of many Anglican Churches around the world, but the first one, without any shadow of doubt

The clue, of course, lies in the word Anglican

Well thank goodness they’ve got FP to put them right as they roll around the floor laughing. You do like to tell us how the rest of the world laughs at this poor benighted country don’t you. Schadenfreude methinks.
Though I must admit I have never witnessed such hilarity in any English cathedrals I have visited. Well, apart from those charming Russian gentlemen who were so impressed by the height of the spire….
However, it’s not as easy as all that
The Church of England is a part of the Holy Catholic Church and declares itself as such in its creeds. It did not come out of the Protestant reformation but evolved through Henry VIII from the Roman Catholic Church. Henry became Defender of the Faith and denied the right of the Pope to hold sway in his realm. Within the Church of England we vary greatly from Churches whose vicars style themselves Father and carry out their ministry in an outdated imitation of Roman Catholicism; they have confessions and wear expensive robes but clad themselves in black through the week. They venerate Mary. Through various dilutions we arrive at the other end of the spectrum with Evangelical Clergy who style themselves as Ministers and follow the Evangelical path which branches out into Pentecostal style worship. It is certainly true to say that in this variance we can see the deliberate provision of a wide spectrum of care for all. That is what the Church of England sets out to provide.
Protestants are, by definition, those who are engaged in protest against Rome. The Church of England is not, and seeks to work with the Roman Catholic Church along with other Christian denominations towards ecumenical work and ministry
This from an Anglican vicar. .

Callistemon21

^Yes, one of many Anglican Churches around the world, but the first one, without any shadow of doubt^

The clue, of course, lies in the word Anglican

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Well, it's a very interesting debate and I'm sure King Charles, Justin Welby, Stephen Cottrell and the General Synod are reading this thread, all agog.

Callistemon21

Well, it's a very interesting debate and I'm sure King Charles, Justin Welby, Stephen Cottrell and the General Synod are reading this thread, all agog.

And all commending the poster Callistemon21 for her astute posts Charles will be crowned, Camilla will be crowned and there will be those that agree and those that disagree, and the world will keep turning.

Rosie51
Callistemon21
Well, it's a very interesting debate and I'm sure King Charles, Justin Welby, Stephen Cottrell and the General Synod are reading this thread, all agog.
And all commending the poster Callistemon21 for her astute posts
Charles will be crowned, Camilla will be crowned and there will be those that agree and those that disagree, and the world will keep turning.

Such accurate observations!

I'm wondering which way to take that
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Callistemon21

^Millions of tourists come to visit the UK and visit our great Cathedrals and watch in their millions, Coronations, weddings and funerals of our Kings and Queens^
Really?
On other threads we are told they're not a bit interested in the Royal Family. 🤔

and such series as The Crown
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Well if you go back, you will read that some of us explained that people all over the world DO watch The Crown, and believe it portrays the reality. The Royal Family is almost an obsession for many all over the world indeed.

As for rolling around the floor, it is not the tourists who do that- it was one GN member who did so about my comments- which did not seem to contribute much to the discussion!

If someone on GN posts a thread about a subject which is steeped in history and this for 450 years- and has shaped the religious, political, educational and judicial system of a country- discussing the historical context makes sense.

Henry VIII was 'The Defender of the Faith' and totally against Reformation. The Pope and the Catholic Church, at a time of religious intolerance, hatred, and massacres all over Europe- was very grateful for his loyal services. But then, the Pope refused to divorce him- and the alliances around Europe began to shift. Henry seized the opportunity, not only to divorce, but to acquire massive amounts of lands, monasteries and riches at the same time, and increase his power hugely.

The New Church he created was no longer Catholic, but never ever meant to be Protestant, and never was. High Church and Low Church, yes, but that is as far as it goes. And the influence of the CofE is still very strong in today's UK- in a way that many of us think is not good for the country. Charles can see it- but he is not in a position to do anything about it.

The Humanist Society is a really interesting group, that is fighting, with the support of many very important figures- to limit and eventually separate, the influence of the CofE, and religion in all its guises, and quite rightly so, some of us believe.

MawtheMerrier

Callistemon21

Yes, one of many Anglican Churches around the world, but the first one, without any shadow of doubt

The clue, of course, lies in the word Anglican

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The roll around the floor was linked to that post - a few more after that.

In the USA, the Anglican Church is Episcopalian, in parts of Europe, 'Christian Catholic Church' (no NOT the same as the Catholic Church, totally separate)- but they are all based on the 16C British model.

Tudor history was a large part of my Degree- and the rise of the CofE Church and the reasons was an integral part. My mother was PA to the Head of the World Bible Society, and I have relatives who are Priests and Vicars in many countries, of all denominations. So have been part of discussions and debate on this very subject. Fascinating and very complex. But the fact remains, the Anglican Church has always been a sort of hybrid, neither one, nor the other. That still stands today.

Laugh, mock, deride, filly your boots- it won't change facts.

We seem to have wandered away from the point of the thread and into the other thread about disestablishmentarianism in England.

However, it brings to mind a version of the West Lothian question - should the Lords Spiritual be allowed vote on matters relating to Wales or Scotland?

Leaders of other religions have been appointed to the Lords, however, although Roman Catholic leaders are not allowed to take any political office, that being a rule of their church, not of this country.

The historical context is largely outweighed by the many discussions on divorce and remarriage which have been held within the church. Those rulings are of most interest and one of them on the appointment of divorced Bishops clearly states

2.2.4. The House of Bishops advise the clergy to ask themselves, among other things, whether conducting a new marriage would be “tantamount to consecrating old infidelity” (AC 3e) This points directly to the typical case of “compounding the wrong”: when the partner in the new marriage has been a significant factor in the breakdown of the old marriage. It would certainly be scandalous to appoint as a bishop someone positively implicated in the breakdown of his wife’s previous marriage. The Bishops stressed the importance of “a clear distance between the new marriage and the old: a distance of time, of local setting and of relationship” (TD 17).

So someone in Charles' position could not be a Bishop but can be head of the church. That will be a major problem for some church members
thinkinganglicans.org.uk/uploads/divorcetheol.html

Laugh, mock, deride, filly your boots- it won't change facts

Do you mean the foreign tourists who are laughing at the C of E?
Which facts?
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In the town where I grew up the Episcopalian Church was always known as the English Kirk.

Is she a churchgoer? Aye, she goes to the English Kirk.

Mainly because of all the bobbing up and down that was expected, I think.

Interesting, Glorianny

However, there is a difference between being a Governor, the titular Head, and being an ordained priest.

Video
Charles unfit to rule. Here’s why Britain should ditch King Charles.

This Irish lady gave her view after video. Good points made

As an Irish woman listening to this, all I can think is how blinking fortunate we are not to have the stranglehold of corruption and oppression that is the British Establishment to contend with like Britons have decided to do. Thankfully, three momentous things happened as soon as Ireland won independence from these cretins, three things that ensured they and their ilk were gone forever: (1) A body called the Land Commission was established which oversaw the mandatory purchase of all leased lands from the British aristocracy, with full ownership automatically transferred to all occupying tenants. The notion of "Leaseholds" was abolished and replaced by Freehold-only ownership of property (ie, 100% outright ownership). These measures wiped out the landed gentry in one fell swoop. (2) Local people throughout the country burnt down over 600 (yes, six hundred!) aristocratic houses owned by the Establishment classes, forcing the vast majority to flee to the UK for sanctuary, never to return. (3) The most complete form of PR (Proportional Representation) was immediately adopted as the country's electoral system - one hundred years ago in 1922. This form of PR is known as the Single Transferrable Vote (STV). After 50 years of PR, a referendum was held in 1975 to retain/reject PR and the people chose to retain it. Watching how British society has evolved to what it is today (divided, profoundly unfair, under-performing, etc), I am constantly reminded how grateful I am for our heroes who were executed in 1916 (Easter Rising) and who posthumously achieved our independence. They were not professional soldiers. They were artists, writers, teachers and poets. In other words they were us, the people. Why are Britain's people so passive and at ease with their country's overt oppression and deprivation? Why is there not even one aspirational group planning for its ending? Why the deafening silence from the artists and writers, the teachers and the poets.

As soon as I got to the word cretin used as a description by the Irish woman (lady is the wrong word to describe her) then I stopped reading.

[Callistemon21] love your school day comment.. and Broad Church..very apt and wise