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Harry has admitted to killing 25 people in Afghanistan.

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Sago Thu 05-Jan-23 16:13:42

Astonishing that he has announced this.
He has now put his wife, children and himself at serious risk not to mention all the other implications.

He is a silly immature and dangerous man.

Nanawind Thu 05-Jan-23 18:01:10

My youngest brother was on the front line.
Talking about this today now he's retired and he shut
the conversation down pretty quick saying no decent soldier
kept count or speak about it.
According to him Harry has put a big target on him and his families head.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 05-Jan-23 17:59:00

Thanks GG.

Sparklefizz Thu 05-Jan-23 17:58:59

The Duke said: 'I remember wondering... if she would be cruel to me; if she would be like all the wicked stepmothers in the stories'.

Harry talking about Camilla - one minute he is describing killing people and thinking of them as "chess pieces", the next he sounds like a small child.

I really think he is not at all well.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 05-Jan-23 17:34:47

Good to see you posting again Germanshephersmum

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 05-Jan-23 17:29:07

You might keep a score if you are in a situation which enables that, but you keep it to yourself or share only with your comrades. If you have one iota of common sense and care for your security and, most importantly, that of your family, you don’t tell the world. We already knew that Harry had killed in Afghanistan, which would not be a surprise. It was his job. To revisit that now so publicly, and to include a ‘score’, is insane.

BlueBelle Thu 05-Jan-23 17:27:37

My dad in WW2 never told us a thing about it not a thing I only heard one story he was in the tanks he got out to have a wee when he got a shout ‘enemy approaching’ he said he’d never moved so fast He was sent to Burma and all I know about that is he never ever ate rice after he came home because that’s all he had out there
6 years and I never heard a thing
Harry is stupid to have said that

FannyCornforth Thu 05-Jan-23 17:23:27

Jane I’m utterly confused too.
This all really is a Pandora’s can of boxed worms 🪱

JaneJudge Thu 05-Jan-23 17:20:38

I didn't think ex armed forces were allowed to disclose information like this publicly? same with all other people who are assigned security vetting and checking confused and this isn't anti Harry btw, just I thought that is how things worked

OnwardandUpward Thu 05-Jan-23 17:19:14

I bet America is thrilled to have him (not)

So stupid.
Why, why, why did he not keep this confidential?

FannyCornforth Thu 05-Jan-23 17:17:42

GG, yes, I hope that I haven’t said anything to offend you.
You bring to mind all of those silent men who returned from the WWs

GrannyGravy13 Thu 05-Jan-23 17:14:30

Our AS served in Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia and many other wars.

He is still in the Forces and of the many many Forces do’s , mess dinners and general socialising I have never ever heard any of these extremely brave young men and women boast of their kills . I would go as far as saying those who have been involved in the most harrowing fighting are those who say the least…

Deedaa Thu 05-Jan-23 17:14:10

It does seem a bit strange. I know that most people who fought in WW2 usually said very little about whether they had killed anyone. There's the story of Peter Jackson directing a stabbing in The Lord Of The Rings when Christopher Lee told him that "If you stab someone in the back they don't make that noise" and he realised this was something Christopher knew from experience. But nothing more was ever said about his work during the war.

Smileless2012 Thu 05-Jan-23 17:14:09

What a mess.... indeed pascal. Surely such details are best kept between a client and their counsellor, not for the public domain.

tidyskatemum Thu 05-Jan-23 17:04:10

According to the extract I've seen ( so many sources now I've lost track!) he rewatched each sortie on video when back at base and that's how he kept score. That does not sound normal to me, though that's just me, However, I do know people who were in Iraq and Afghanistan and they would never dream of talking about how many people they killed.

pascal30 Thu 05-Jan-23 16:59:23

He's really set himself up for problems in the future now.. he'll never be safe again or free.. whoever advised him or edited this book also bears responsibility for whatever occurs in the future.
What a mess...

ExperiencedNotOld Thu 05-Jan-23 16:55:20

Yes, there is a security risk, but as he’s no longer part of UK forces, he’s highlighting himself alone. That said, it’s an inevitability that as crew in an Apache he would have been part of taking out ‘enemy’ forces.
I have a fait bit of experience of just what can be seen from the cockpit whilst so very high up - it’s a lot. He’d have known how many engagements were made and how many were killed.
I’d suggest a bit of an unresolved issue here. It’s a shame he cut of so many friends in the Army Air Corps.

Katie59 Thu 05-Jan-23 16:51:13

My heart goes out to the courage of anyone who serves in that sort of urban war, my brother served in NI it changed him.
Is Harry’s problem PTSD?.

FannyCornforth Thu 05-Jan-23 16:45:37

Sago of course,
you are absolutely right about the security risk.
He always was, wasn’t he? I don’t believe that he should ever have gone to Afghanistan, for the sake of his comrades.
It always struck me as a bit dilettante/ Marie Antoinette playing at milk maids.
Now we learn differently…

FannyCornforth Thu 05-Jan-23 16:40:20

I meant to add, if anyone can enlighten me as to how they are supposed to go about such things, I’d appreciate it

FannyCornforth Thu 05-Jan-23 16:38:26

I am very ignorant about such matters, but I thought that this was exactly how soldiers were encouraged to think.

Sparklefizz Thu 05-Jan-23 16:37:56

He references 9/11. Does he think that saying this will go down well in America?

Making this public - honestly, he's even more of an idiot than I thought.

LondonMzFitz Thu 05-Jan-23 16:32:56

from one media source (Joe.co.uk) - ^“I made it my purpose, from day one, to never go to bed with any doubt whether I had done the right thing…whether I had shot at Taliban and only Taliban, without civilians in the vicinity. I wanted to return to Great Britain with all my limbs, but more than that I wanted to get home with my conscience intact.”
He says that in war soldiers do not usually know how many enemies they have killed, but “in the era of Apaches and laptops” he was able to say “with exactness how many enemy combatants I had killed. And it seemed to me essential not to be afraid of that number.
“So my number is 25. It’s not a number that fills me with satisfaction, but nor does it embarrass me.”
Explaining why he feels no guilt about taking lives in Afghanistan, he said that he never forgot watching news coverage of the 9/11 attacks when he was at Eton.
He describes those responsible for the attacks, and their sympathisers, as “enemies of humanity”, and says that fighting them was an act of vengeance for one of the worst crimes in human history.
In fact, he said the only shots he thought twice about were the ones he had not taken.
Prince Harry was deployed as a forward air controller in Helmand province during his first tour of duty in 2007-08, which was cut short when foreign news organisations breached a news blackout that had been agreed with the British media.
In 2012, after learning to fly Apache helicopters, he was deployed to Camp Bastion in southern Afghanistan with the Army Air Corps, staying for 20 weeks. He said at the time that killing insurgents was part of his job, and that “we fire when we have to, take a life to save a life”.^

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I don't know why Harry would reveal this. I do think it adds weight to his and his families need for security while in the UK which was widely discussed and refused by HM last year. But I personally find it extraordinary he'd reveal this. I don't buy into the hatred of H&M and have argued their case on the (many, many) threads on this site. I do hope Harry explains further why he has revealed this.

My (now ex) husband as a Reservist served in Afghanistan in 2010, on Herrick 12 (the Operation name). We split 14 months after he came home, just to give a little context on my mindset. With (mainly) young men who are "on alert" 24/7 for six/seven months in hostile territory. Takes a certain sort of person.

I can't imagine a circumstance where I, as the OP has, label Harry as "silly immature and dangerous" though.

lixy Thu 05-Jan-23 16:32:10

He seems to have lost any grip on reality. What a dangerous thing to have said.
As biegecardigan says - seems he just doesn't have a stop button any more.

Ailidh Thu 05-Jan-23 16:25:40

Oreo

When you’ve read it for a fiver, lend it to me Ailidh and then I’ll pass it on😆

Will do. 😜

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For the avoidance of doubt, I wasn't doubting Sago, just all the "alleged"s I found online.....

Ziplok Thu 05-Jan-23 16:23:26

If true, a very unwise thing to admit and put out there.