Harry sensationally accuses camilla

I wish you would stop going on about Harry's mental health. Insinuations about mental health are not neutral; you must surely know that there is still a stigma against it. If any journalist implied a man is mentally unstable that journalist should be guilty of libel, and I hope would be!

To some extent I agree with your first sentence paddyann54, if not all the rest.
the RF were never going to accept Meghan.
And I think, from what she said in Netflix, she also knew she was never going to fit in. She was too different. I actually warmed to her in that series, in a small way laughing at herself in er own inadequacies in the sometimes barmy role. So no one here is suggesting she is all bad. Or that Kate is perfect.

Or who has spoken about it.

Kate1949

I'm not sure I could take to someone who, along with my father, made my dead mother"s life a misery.

Camilla was public enemy number one after Diana died. Since then the public have been ‘handled’ by the PR machine. Must have been difficult to swallow for Harry and William - the difference is in how they’ve handled it.

paddyann54

the RF were never going to accept Meghan after all they have the perfect Stepford wife in Kate...she hung around for TEN YEARS while William sowed his wild oats or according to Mumsnet learned that royal men always have women on the side and did the well dressed smiley thing so well .
Why on earth would they want a mixed race mouthy woman who has a mind of her own and wont accept being treated badly ...seems they didn't ...what a surprise !
I know which DIL I'd prefer and it aint the mannequin who cant voice an opinion ...but then I 'm descended from a wild suffragette who made us think for ourselves and SPEAK out when necessary .In fact if my daughter had hung around waiting 10 years for any man I'd have had more than a few words with her
Its the 21st century surely anyone with half a brain can see the issue with Meghan ...she isn't a walkover

Interesting, to me, both brothers married clever cute women, but it seems only the one who shuts up is acceptable.

Totally agree Paddyann! And those that think she's controlling Harry. He's a 37 year old man!

LinAnn52

I feel so sorry for Harry and Meghan’s children, who will probably grow up without knowing any close relatives other than their grandmother Doria.

Many people have no close relatives, so? Children raised with people who love them, away from those who upset their parents is negative?

We'd not have wanted our children near "close relatives" who weren't kind people, really, relatives or not.

Poor Kate if that's true about the affair- and poor Kate if it's not because it's being talked about.

She has worked hard at being the ideal royal wife.

the RF were never going to accept Meghan after all they have the perfect Stepford wife in Kate...she hung around for TEN YEARS while William sowed his wild oats or according to Mumsnet learned that royal men always have women on the side and did the well dressed smiley thing so well .
Why on earth would they want a mixed race mouthy woman who has a mind of her own and wont accept being treated badly ...seems they didn't ...what a surprise !
I know which DIL I'd prefer and it aint the mannequin who cant voice an opinion ...but then I 'm descended from a wild suffragette who made us think for ourselves and SPEAK out when necessary .In fact if my daughter had hung around waiting 10 years for any man I'd have had more than a few words with her
Its the 21st century surely anyone with half a brain can see the issue with Meghan ...she isn't a walkover

I feel so sorry for Harry and Meghan’s children, who will probably grow up without knowing any close relatives other than their grandmother Doria.

He certainly doesn't come across as someone who is happy, if so why not just live his life and leave his father and brother to live theirs.

Apologies if my opinions have been voiced in previous posts but I think there may be some truth in Harry's allegation that the Royal Family have been in bed with the media for many years.

Under Elizabeth the media portrayed them as the Royal Family as a happy one that everyone should aspire to. I won't say "perfect" family as I doubt if there is such a thing.

Unfortunately as soon as it was known that Elizabeth, at the age of ten, would be the next monarch she was, IMHO, taken under the wing of Queen Mary and indoctrinated about what the Royal Family should and shouldn't do. That's why there are so many hangers-on and all the stuffy pomp and ceremony and outdated honours - eg MBE and CBE when we no longer have an Empire. It's really ridiculous.

Despite appearances and any media reportings we all know that it was never a happy family. Elizabeth went off to stay in Malta where Philip was stationed for a few years after their marriage leaving her two oldest children with nannies so they never properly bonded. Philip went off on a long sailing trip to sulk after Elizabeth refused to make him a king consort. He also insisted that Charles went to a Spartan boarding school which Charles hated because Philip, the alpha male, thought it would stop him from being weak. Philip pressed him to marry Diana knowing Charles was still in love with Camilla and it was hardly surprising how Diana reacted when she found out that they had just used her as a breeding mare.

That doesn't mean I believe all of Harry's allegations but once you are born into such a family you are expected to conform and he and Meghan probably wanted to do their own thing - i.e. choose which duties to carry out, which charities to support and to spend part of their time living in the US whilst still being part of the Royal family. It was never going to happen. The couple were clearly popular when representing the Royal family and could have helped to keep the family popular.

I think a lot of it boils down to expectations and whether the couple ever had an adult conversation to explore what they would and would not be able to do.

As for the latest allegations about Camilla why confine the "plotting" to be Queen eventually to her? Charles always wanted to marry her but was due to serve for a while in the Navy and she had had proposals from other people. I have also read that she wasn't considered suitable then as it was known that she wasn't a virgin. I didn't like it when my mother remarried and suspected her second husband of all sorts of things. Why go after Camilla now when it takes two (or more) to tango and the media stuff would carry on anyway whether she was there or not.

It is all a complete mess and as Harry says he now has a happy life what did he hope to achieve by all these revelations when we will never know if they are true or not?

Kate1949

I'm not sure I could take to someone who, along with my father, made my dead mother"s life a misery.

Quite. I think H&W have been very accommodating, considering the role she played.

Inheritance often goes to the eldest male child but in practice it goes to whichever has the ability to do the job. There is no point in giving the reins to a son/daughter who does not have the ability and the younger child goes off and makes his own career. In many cases nobody wants to take over and the business ceases

That of course does not apply to aristocratic title but just because you hold the title Lord Muck means very little, in fact it’s probably a disadvantage today.

I mean in the case of the RF, obviously birth order really matters. (heir and spare mentality)

I see no point Harry in being upset with his parents for his birth order seeing as the RF would have made Harry King if he had been born first. I see no point in him being mad at William for being born first. I'm sure William would not have chosen it and had no choice in the matter! The jealous vendetta and bitter vitriol is really sad.

No parent can choose the order their kids are born in. No kid can choose to be born first. You could say it's just the way life panned out, or you could argue that a greater being chose William to be our future King. In the RF someone is always the spare, but most deal with it better. Coming to terms with your Birth Order and making a good plan for your life would bring happiness and fulfilment that money could never buy.

Being at peace with his Birth Order and making a plan for his life to live in peace and fulfilment would be a healing path for Harry.

Glorianny

OnwardandUpward

I don't think you can, unless they are able to come to terms with their birth order.

Everyone's birth order is not determined by their parents. It just is.

Whoever was born first was going to be the heir, whoever wasnt would be the spare. That's how it is, nothing personal. It could have been the other way round. Parents are not in control of which child is born when , so the whole thing is quite ridiculous.

How is the first child the "heir"? We don't have Sharia law in the UK. Most families share inheritances. Not the RF of course.

I don’t believe you are correct Glorianny. Many people who own property leave it to one child, often the oldest, rather than spilt up a farm for example. Often sons get the lions share of an inheritance, and in many other cultures that continues in this country too. I’m not saying it’s is just, but that is the reality.

OnwardandUpward

I don't think you can, unless they are able to come to terms with their birth order.

Everyone's birth order is not determined by their parents. It just is.

Whoever was born first was going to be the heir, whoever wasnt would be the spare. That's how it is, nothing personal. It could have been the other way round. Parents are not in control of which child is born when , so the whole thing is quite ridiculous.

How is the first child the "heir"? We don't have Sharia law in the UK. Most families share inheritances. Not the RF of course.

I can totally understand that bit.

I'm not sure I could take to someone who, along with my father, made my dead mother"s life a misery.

I don't think you can, unless they are able to come to terms with their birth order.

Everyone's birth order is not determined by their parents. It just is.

Whoever was born first was going to be the heir, whoever wasnt would be the spare. That's how it is, nothing personal. It could have been the other way round. Parents are not in control of which child is born when , so the whole thing is quite ridiculous.

“I don't know why some people assume that parents haven't already done their best to repair a relationship. Who wouldn't?”

How do you reconcile someone who is resentful that he is the “Spare”

Yes Smileless

It has always been easy to assume, but we are all someone's child or someone's parent.

How many times should you keep on apologising when the apology is not accepted? How much abuse should you take, as a parent when you realise your child is doing cruel things on purpose because they cannot forgive?

If you apologise to someone and then the same thing keeps being used against you, your apology meant nothing. None of us are parent of the year. None of us can pop them back in our tummies for another go. None of the hatred has any point. If only they can find a way of letting go of the hatred, perhaps it won't affect their own parenting too much.

Every generation thinks they will do better than the last, yet every generation fails. It is the Human Condition.

It suits some to assume that when there's estrangement it's always the fault of the parents and the dysfunctional family in which the EAC was raised Onward.

That is also my modus operandi since my son got verbally abusive.

I have lost count of how many times I have apologised for things I did wrong (and percieved wrongs) and I have lost count of the times he has been plain cruel because he has not forgiven me and is determined to make me suffer. If you have a hostile family member who is determined to keep making you suffer for things you've already apologised for, then you're better off going No contact, because until their mindset changes, the situation won't.

I don't know why some people assume that Charles hasn't already apologised or that the situation hasn't already been aired in private. As I am well aware, the introduction of drugs to bad MH and the wrong advice can be quite disastrous to relationships. I don't know why some people assume that parents haven't already done their best to repair a relationship. Who wouldn't?

All Prince Harry's interviews are with people who are entirely on his side, so that there will be no searching questions challenging anything he says. which is, of course, exactly what he wants.

However, he and his American advisors, obviously thought that if he thoroughly spilt the beans, dredged up and revealed every petty perceived wrong and lots of private details of the RF's lives, sooner or later they would be goaded into response, and that would make Prince Harry and his acolytes even richer.

Unfortunately, that is not how it works in the UK, the RF are saying nothing, long may they do it, and all that has happened is that Prince Harry has lost support in the UK. Latest surveys show the majority of people in the UK have no interest in him, or are bored and fed up by him, and even in the States interest is waning.