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A certain book

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AussieGran59 Wed 11-Jan-23 08:48:53

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Joseanne Tue 24-Jan-23 08:03:52

In the book Harry talks about the den at Highgrove where he went when he wanted peace, or solitude, but also mischief (getting smashed). Typical teenage stuff. But he also says something like he wasn't willing to talk about Diana there when William wanted to. William felt frustrated by this, but Harry wouldn't acknowledge it because he was obtuse and emotionally unavailable. Both boys were angry and unhappy, but coped with it in different ways, and that is what I kind of mean about measuring one's own grief.

Doodledog Tue 24-Jan-23 08:09:12

I think they both count. I’m not talking about the RF here, but in general. It is a fact that hypothetical boy was unhappy and a fact that his parents found him difficult. Both are true. Pretty much any divorced couple will have equally valid recollections of what went wrong, but they may not tally.

Is it a fact that Henry V11 got rid of Anne Boleyn because he wanted an heir, or did he stop loving her because he was a narcissist? Or did she have affairs with other men, putting the succession at risk? Or is her reputation as promiscuous because a court faction wanted Mary on the throne to restore the country to Catholicism? Was she an ambitious schemer or did she love the handsome prince who wooed her for years and promised he loved her too?

Some or all of those things could be true at the same time. Others are based on interpretation of scraps of information and may be supposition. Others are just things that we’ve been told. Is there a truth?

I’m musing, not trying to derail the thread, so feel free to ignore me grin

Joseanne Tue 24-Jan-23 08:24:57

Interesting angles Doodledog.
Can truth even be artificially fabricated then?

Sparklefizz Tue 24-Jan-23 08:33:37

Getting back to Harry's book, though, and his various interviews and statements, some things are not true and have been proven to be false.

GagaJo Tue 24-Jan-23 13:10:00

Ah yes. Like the things his flying instructor didn't say.

Sparklefizz Tue 24-Jan-23 15:29:38

Exactly - because although the media apparently did misrepresent that, the basic premise was the same that the procedure Harry described in great detail didn't happen.

And neither did he take the phone call about the Queen Mother's death in the room with the sunlight pouring through in great detail again .... because he was off on holiday skiing with Charles and William, and photos and articles have proven this to be the case.

And the things he said about the lack of Canadian police security - the Canadian police called him out over that.

varian Tue 24-Jan-23 18:57:49

Oh dear. It's not to easy these days to get away with porkies.

Joseanne Wed 25-Jan-23 09:00:06

The situation of Harry's hearing about the QM's death is a strange one. He was definitely NOT sitting in his room at school "studying". Far from.
But the dreamt up phone call is bizarre. He can't remember who made the call, a courtier, a detective?
I think Harry's main objective here was to blame his father, yet again, for not telling him. I also think he has screwed up here, because if it were true and he were actually at school , even cold hearted Eton would have made sure a Master or a school mate popped in immediately to console him after the call, and he omits to mention that. Boarding schools like that have policies in place for such occurrences when in loco parentis.

Sparklefizz Wed 25-Jan-23 09:23:34

Harry has admitted that his powers of recall are vague. Perhaps if he took out all the bits he's not sure about, the book would only be a very slim volume.

Sparklefizz Wed 25-Jan-23 09:28:21

varian

Oh dear. It's not to easy these days to get away with porkies.

When someone tells porkies in a deliberate attempt to make someone else look bad, (or themselves look good) they are bound to be called out on it. (unless the recipient of the lies/exaggerations is the RF in which case they rise above it.)