A certain book

volver

I posted that picture LondonMzFitz but it was just ignored. Doesn't fit the story, you see.

So the conversation has rather gone like this, hasn't it...?

"It'll never sell, it'll be in the remainder bin, 3 for £1, I bet the publisher regrets it."

400,000 sales in the UK on the first day, fastest selling non-fiction book ever. Top of Amazon and Barnes and Noble pre-order lists in the US.

But there were no queues!! (Try Amazon. Try audio books... 🤦🏼)

Try asking Volver to precis it like she does everything else.

Glorianny

I bet the whole lot of them thought him targeting his father's car was hilarious.

It never happened

PH finished his army career as a Captain (Blues and Royals)

Typhoons are Air Force, why would a trainee soldier be giving a Typhoon pilot orders of any sort, even on a training exercise?

I bet the whole lot of them thought him targeting his father's car was hilarious.

It couldn't be possible that Harry has been telling porkies again could it?

What a hypocrite he is. Wails and moans that the British press give him and his missus no privacy and how that's adversely affected his mental health but has no such qualms in publishing private text messages, phone calls, conversations and emails from friends and family members to the world.
Squeals with outrage that his wife has been criticised and mocked by the press but is perfectly comfortable in publicly mocking and mimicking a matron at his school.
Whines interminably that his father was cold and remote but sneers and fantatises that he could kill him when he's visited by Charles and reassured of his love and pride for him.

Thank God he's not my son.

Have you read the book? He was training and had to pick pretend targets to practice on. He chose his dad’s car as it moved away - as a joke. He also didn’t blow any barn to smithereens except by pointing at it and saying bang bang.

He never trained as a Typhoon jet pilot.

Is this all a fantasy?

Harry wasn't flying Typhoons, but he did train and work as a forward air controller. Ordering a Typhoon pilot to target a civilian car does sound fanciful. Perhaps he did.
He learnt how to fly helicopters later on but reports state that he usually went out as co-pilot and gunner.

Yes that was Eton Joseanne. I thought some of the Ludgrove stuff sounded a bit bizarre.

Normandygirl

There are so many "dark" moments revealed in this book, but one of the worst ones is how Harry describes how he could have killed Charles but chose not to. It happened when Harry was instructing Typhoons on a military exercise, near Sandringham, before deployment in Afghanistan. Charles drives over to see Harry and tell him how proud he was of him and what a great job he was doing.
He goes on ;
" I loved seeing Pa, loved feeling his pride and I felt buoyed by his praise, but I had to get back to work. I was mid control, couldn't tell the Typhoon to please hold on a moment
Yes,yes, darling boy, back to work
He drove off. As he went down the track I told the Typhoon
New target. Grey Audi. Headed southeast from my position down track towards a big silver barn oriented east-west.
The Typhoon tracked Pa, did a low pass straight over him, nearly shattering the windows of his Audi.
But they ultimately spared him..... on my orders.
It went on to blow the silver barn to smithereens."

I really don't know what to make of this, so many questions.
Was Harry qualified to be " instructing" fighter jet pilots?
Did Charles almost get himself killed?
Why on earth would Harry put this in his book as if he is proud of choosing not to kill his father?
Is this all a fantasy?

Have you read the book? He was training and had to pick pretend targets to practice on. He chose his dad’s car as it moved away - as a joke. He also didn’t blow any barn to smithereens except by pointing at it and saying bang bang.

Honest to god if you are going to accuse him of being a psychopath at least read the bloody book.

And the reason he had to train at Sandringham alone was because the press kept on leaking what he was doing preventing him from being able to go to war (largely because it out others at risk - that was a more of a concern for the army than his risk).

Mamie

Do you not think a school can do anything about the level of drug taking described at Eton Joseanne?
I would not be a happy parent.
The relevant chapters are quite a read.
Normsndygirl I agree that is an absolute wtf moment. 😮

I think the school I am talking about is Ludgrove Prep., Mamie. That's where this matron worked, didn't she? It would be unusual for there to be any drug taking in the under 13s.
I haven't read the Eton stuff, but no I would not be happy either

Living not far from USAAF and RAF bases, we see all manner of military planes here including Apaches and typhoons. Very different animals.

You’re right Norah. H would not have been qualified to fly typhoons.

Germanshepherdsmum

Good grief Normandygirl. I find it difficult to believe that H would be issuing orders to typhoon pilots. A nasty bit of fantasy from a deluded person I think.

Seems safe to assume helicopter are not same to typhoons. I thought, from reading news, pilots were grouped into planes? Thus typhoons had a type of mission and helicopters another. Must be that I'm wrong.

Glorianny

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

So untrue. You should stop living on Google and get out and explore the world.

You’re stating the beaches I was on just a few years ago were dirty and unsafe! The actual reality is they were beautiful white sandy beaches with crystal clear waters. I used to sit chatting to Jamaicans day in, day out. Open access to all.

Normandygirl PH seems to be a liar as well as a fantasist.

A British Typhoon pilot would have been court-martialed if they destroyed a barn on the orders of PH, as would PH himself.

Glorianny

^If the property in question is private, if you were the owner would you be happy for all and sundry to traipse through? I assume your garden (if you have one) is not open for all?^

No but then I didn't get my garden by exploiting and economically depriving a group of people. Nor does my garden provide access to a space that should be accessible to all (the sea).
If you don't appreciate ,or want to admit, to the economic harm done to Jamaica and its people by colonialism that's fine, but it is a recognised fact. And simply denying it doesn't change anything.

Just a quick Google gives results for 50 public beaches in Jamaica.

You do seem to be rather hung up on Colonialism, is it just the British ex colonies or those of other Countries?

Do you not think a school can do anything about the level of drug taking described at Eton Joseanne?
I would not be a happy parent.
The relevant chapters are quite a read.
Normsndygirl I agree that is an absolute wtf moment. 😮

I suspect it is a fantasy Normandygirl and a rather disturbing one at that.

Good grief Normandygirl. I find it difficult to believe that H would be issuing orders to typhoon pilots. A nasty bit of fantasy from a deluded person I think.

If the property in question is private, if you were the owner would you be happy for all and sundry to traipse through? I assume your garden (if you have one) is not open for all?

No but then I didn't get my garden by exploiting and economically depriving a group of people. Nor does my garden provide access to a space that should be accessible to all (the sea).
If you don't appreciate ,or want to admit, to the economic harm done to Jamaica and its people by colonialism that's fine, but it is a recognised fact. And simply denying it doesn't change anything.

There are so many "dark" moments revealed in this book, but one of the worst ones is how Harry describes how he could have killed Charles but chose not to. It happened when Harry was instructing Typhoons on a military exercise, near Sandringham, before deployment in Afghanistan. Charles drives over to see Harry and tell him how proud he was of him and what a great job he was doing.
He goes on ;
" I loved seeing Pa, loved feeling his pride and I felt buoyed by his praise, but I had to get back to work. I was mid control, couldn't tell the Typhoon to please hold on a moment
Yes,yes, darling boy, back to work
He drove off. As he went down the track I told the Typhoon
New target. Grey Audi. Headed southeast from my position down track towards a big silver barn oriented east-west.
The Typhoon tracked Pa, did a low pass straight over him, nearly shattering the windows of his Audi.
But they ultimately spared him..... on my orders.
It went on to blow the silver barn to smithereens."

I really don't know what to make of this, so many questions.
Was Harry qualified to be " instructing" fighter jet pilots?
Did Charles almost get himself killed?
Why on earth would Harry put this in his book as if he is proud of choosing not to kill his father?
Is this all a fantasy?

Glorianny

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

tickingbird

You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED.

Don’t patronise me. I’m fully aware of Cyprus’s history and only mentioned Cyprus as I was there a few months ago. I repeat colonialism is nothing to do with Jamaicans being able to access the beaches. I’ve been there and actually know what I’m talking about unlike some!

Funny how people visit places but don't research them or see what is happening
www.reuters.com/article/us-jamaica-landrights-beaches-idUSKBN18P0SN

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

The article is from 2017, it clearly states that little had changed since Jamaica became an independent Country in 1962.

The Government could change if it wanted to, not sure that the U.K. can be held responsible for their beach situation.

(All beaches in Antigua along with St.Lucia are open to the public by the way)

Did you really read the article?

Struggles for access to Jamaica’s coastline are nothing new. Laws regarding rights to the coastline were passed in the Beach Control Act of 1956, a holdover from colonial times, when beaches were owned by the British Crown.

The Act, that remained in place until Jamaica got independence in 1962, did not give the island nation’s 2.7 million people legal right to beach access.

As well as campaigning, JET has been providing legal advice to vulnerable community-managed public beaches.

With JET’s help, the community-run Winnifred Beach in the northeast won a long legal fight to remain public in 2014, thwarting a resort development plan threatening to limit access.

For some, the roots of the policy go back to Jamaica’s history of slavery and colonization.

“That’s just the legacy of our history. The majority of the society wasn’t expected to enjoy the benefits of the society,” Cooper said

So a direct result of colonialism. It's much harder to make private property accessible than it is to privatise it.

Yes I read the article which is why I commented on it.

If the property in question is private, if you were the owner would you be happy for all and sundry to traipse through? I assume your garden (if you have one) is not open for all?

GrannyGravy13

Glorianny

tickingbird

You do realise that Cyprus was part of the British Empire and under British Military Occupation for many years don't you? In 1925 it was declared a Crown colony. QED.

Don’t patronise me. I’m fully aware of Cyprus’s history and only mentioned Cyprus as I was there a few months ago. I repeat colonialism is nothing to do with Jamaicans being able to access the beaches. I’ve been there and actually know what I’m talking about unlike some!

Funny how people visit places but don't research them or see what is happening
www.reuters.com/article/us-jamaica-landrights-beaches-idUSKBN18P0SN

Basically very few beaches are accessible to a Jamaican and those that are are not clean or safe.

The article is from 2017, it clearly states that little had changed since Jamaica became an independent Country in 1962.

The Government could change if it wanted to, not sure that the U.K. can be held responsible for their beach situation.

(All beaches in Antigua along with St.Lucia are open to the public by the way)

Did you really read the article?

Struggles for access to Jamaica’s coastline are nothing new. Laws regarding rights to the coastline were passed in the Beach Control Act of 1956, a holdover from colonial times, when beaches were owned by the British Crown.

The Act, that remained in place until Jamaica got independence in 1962, did not give the island nation’s 2.7 million people legal right to beach access.

As well as campaigning, JET has been providing legal advice to vulnerable community-managed public beaches.

With JET’s help, the community-run Winnifred Beach in the northeast won a long legal fight to remain public in 2014, thwarting a resort development plan threatening to limit access.

For some, the roots of the policy go back to Jamaica’s history of slavery and colonization.

“That’s just the legacy of our history. The majority of the society wasn’t expected to enjoy the benefits of the society,” Cooper said

So a direct result of colonialism. It's much harder to make private property accessible than it is to privatise it.

Don't forget Prince Willian and Prince Edward attended that prep school too, and to my knowledge they have not been indiscreet about teachers or matrons. Nor Alec Douglas Home etc etc. Harry appears to be the odd bod on this one.

It’s nothing whatsoever to do with the ethos of the school.
Some children from all types of school, state and private would think it amusing to mock a teacher if they had any physical abnormalities, especially if they are egged on by laughing friends.
The difference here is, like I and others have said, is that Harry saw fit to put this in his book, written when he was an adult.

What was the point of it?
Has he got so little self-awareness that he was unable to see how it would be received?

Have his thought processes been addled by years of drug taking?
I can’t think of any other explanation.