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Do the pros of sending tanks to Ukraine outweigh the cons?

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winterwhite Sun 15-Jan-23 11:42:19

I am bothered about this plan, now moved a step forward.

•I saw a comment months ago that this war will never end because businesses are making too much money out of it. Mainly by manufacturing and selling arms.

•This country has a shameful record for participating in wars, promising protection to those forced to leave their homes and then treating them as scroungers when they come (Kosovo, Afghanistan and already Ukraine).

• Russia is not threatening the UK and Putin is looking for reasons to accuse others of unprovoked aggression and a cause for 'reprisals'.

• Putin is old and ill. Do we really think he or his likely successors have serious plans to attack Poland?

And the pros?

Norah Mon 30-Jan-23 17:20:36

Katie59

C-17 can load for airlift 2 of the big new tanks.

No just one, but I really don’t see NATO C17s airlifting tanks into Ukraine because fuel and supplies would also need to do the same.

Two per plane, not that it matters with so few.

"How many tanks fit in a C-17 Globemaster (M1 Abrams) www.quora.com › How-many-tanks-fit-in-a-C-17-...
Mar 1, 2020 — The aircraft is able to carry two M1 Abrams main battle tanks, or one Abrams tank plus two M2/M3 Bradley fighting vehicles..."

From the USA on ships, into port, then on rail, then convoy over-land -- why not short field airlift? The USA have the capability for speed of delivery. If bothering to supply why not be quick and efficient?

Callistemon21 Mon 30-Jan-23 17:26:40

DaisyAnne

GrannyGravy13

Blimey what are you all putting in your tea…

It's were they are getting all this from I worry about.

Yes.

Nothing to do with being sexist, not having had experience in the Forces nor knowing anyone who is working on the logistics of all this, it is just that anyone who does have what is probably inside information is not going to post it on the internet.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 30-Jan-23 17:31:31

Callistemon21 you are correct, there is far more going on behind the scenes.

To put it all in the public domain is an open invite to the enemy.

Norah Mon 30-Jan-23 17:36:43

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21 you are correct, there is far more going on behind the scenes.

To put it all in the public domain is an open invite to the enemy.

Indeed.

But we can ponder and guess... smile

Callistemon21 Mon 30-Jan-23 17:40:00

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21 you are correct, there is far more going on behind the scenes.

To put it all in the public domain is an open invite to the enemy.

Anyone who is involved and knows what is happening will not be on a public forum discussing it.

Anyone who is on a public forum discussing it will not really know what is happening.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 30-Jan-23 17:46:33

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21 you are correct, there is far more going on behind the scenes.

To put it all in the public domain is an open invite to the enemy.

Anyone who is involved and knows what is happening will not be on a public forum discussing it.

Anyone who is on a public forum discussing it will not really know what is happening.

I was referring to NATO and Governments not declaring all their cards.

Anyone with insider knowledge however it was gained would be a fool to post details on any forum.

Katie59 Mon 30-Jan-23 19:02:12

We don’t know, that is certain, we don’t know how many tanks nor when, nor what other weapons are going to accompany them. Lots of uncertainty over transport, it has all got to cross the Dnieper river with Russian spy planes and satellites watching and there aren’t many bridges.

Norah Mon 30-Jan-23 19:03:29

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon21 you are correct, there is far more going on behind the scenes.

To put it all in the public domain is an open invite to the enemy.

Anyone who is involved and knows what is happening will not be on a public forum discussing it.

Anyone who is on a public forum discussing it will not really know what is happening.

I was referring to NATO and Governments not declaring all their cards.

Anyone with insider knowledge however it was gained would be a fool to post details on any forum.

GrannyGravy13 I was referring to NATO and Governments not declaring all their cards.

Anyone with insider knowledge however it was gained would be a fool to post details on any forum.

Of course no secrets.

People also ponder/post on any question. No difference.