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Is it OK to break the law if you are a Tory?

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CvD66 Mon 16-Jan-23 13:12:20

In 1987 Lester Pigott was imprisoned for tax evasion of £3m. Nadhim Zahawi (former chancellor) is having to pay back £3m used a tax evasion process incorrectly. He lied about this process and instructed lawyers to threaten a tax lawyer, who exposed him. Zahawi should resign and then face criminal charges both for the tax evasion and threats. But he’s a Tory….and the BBC aren’t even covering his crime.

MaizieD Tue 17-Jan-23 13:25:11

ronib

Am trying to sort out a tax query, shall try to find some quotes but in the meantime Dan Neidle is in the top 5 of legal influencers in Uk. Perhaps you could have a little explore?

Sorry, I thought you might be able to remember a bit off the top of your head.

ronib Tue 17-Jan-23 13:14:30

Am trying to sort out a tax query, shall try to find some quotes but in the meantime Dan Neidle is in the top 5 of legal influencers in Uk. Perhaps you could have a little explore?

MaizieD Tue 17-Jan-23 10:30:07

ronib

CvD66 but you do realise that some of the tweets by other solicitors are finding some interest and amusement in Dan Neidle’s role here. It’s just not at all straightforward….

I haven't seen them. What is 'not at all straightforward' about the case?

Nahawi not only tried to wriggle out of paying tax, but he lied about it. hmm

growstuff Tue 17-Jan-23 10:13:33

If Zahari had been paying all his taxes, how come he paid £3 million when this story came to light? If what he had been doing was perfectly legal, I can't understand why he would voluntarily pay that kind of money.

PS. I couldn't care less about the background of the lawyer who uncovered it all. The facts would still be the same.

ronib Tue 17-Jan-23 09:50:03

Probably Nadhim Zahari’s biggest error was not to have employed Dan Neidle as his personal tax lawyer.

Dan has made so much money that he has taken early retirement…..

ronib Tue 17-Jan-23 09:11:45

CvD66 but you do realise that some of the tweets by other solicitors are finding some interest and amusement in Dan Neidle’s role here. It’s just not at all straightforward….

CvD66 Tue 17-Jan-23 08:51:21

It intrigues how posters read the posts - the need to point out that Labour could be as 'bad' fascinates me! What seems to have been ignored is not only did this MP suddenly and rapidly repay the tax when he came into profile in the summer, he also got his solicitors to threaten the person (Dan Neidle) who exposed him! That legal firm is being investigated by the Solicitors Regulatory Authority for this behaviour.

Lollin Tue 17-Jan-23 08:09:44

The Financial Times has a front page news article on how almost 2300 HM Revenue & Customs Compliance staff have been transferred to work on Brexit and Covid 19 schemes which means billions in tax are not being collected. One way to avoid paying taxes.

GagaJo Mon 16-Jan-23 23:01:23

It seems to me that the Tory party in particular attracts members that see it as a way to gain power, siphon off public funds and deny those in society who really need it support. Denouncing the working class/poor as scroungers while stuffing their own off-shore accounts with our taxes.

All of the above while trying to wipe out our NHS.

How anyone feels able to vote for them I don't know.

Galaxy Mon 16-Jan-23 22:41:20

The lists for convictions for fraud are quite old (8 years old) it looks reasonably equally spread from a quick glance although I think I saw UKIP a few times.

Doodledog Mon 16-Jan-23 22:33:21

Yes, if records are available they should be neutrally expressed. I may or may not want to vote for someone who had been jailed for protesting, or for fraud, but I think we should know before deciding. Similarly, and perhaps predictably, I would want to know if someone making decisions about the NHS used private medicine (not that he is registered with an NHS GP, as we all are), and similarly if someone who might become an education minister sent their children to private school. I might decide that there were good reasons for doing so, but IMO the choice should be mine.

Galaxy Mon 16-Jan-23 22:31:20

I ignored those ones as well. I am a labour party member. I think it's an interesting subject. I would be surprised if criminality was based on political party. Well on mainstream ones anyway.

Wyllow3 Mon 16-Jan-23 22:22:55

Galaxy

Well there is a list on wikipedia of those politicians who served prison time. I ignored the ones from the 1800's but by my reckoning labour had the most. Someone should probably check as I did it very half heartedly.

....and the relevance of early Labour Party activists who might well have taken part in demonstrations and been persecuted/arrested for it matters how?

Galaxy Mon 16-Jan-23 22:07:51

Well there is a list on wikipedia of those politicians who served prison time. I ignored the ones from the 1800's but by my reckoning labour had the most. Someone should probably check as I did it very half heartedly.

Oreo Mon 16-Jan-23 21:49:22

Casdon

Katie59

Read up on Zahawi’s business dealings , it makes Johnson seem like a saint

Er - no, it doesn’t.

Could any politician be worse than Boris Johnson? I mean in just any way?

Doodledog Mon 16-Jan-23 21:32:25

I think that there should be far more transparency about politicians, and that there should be publicly available records of their wealth, any convictions, whether they use or have used private medicine or education (for themselves or their families), as well as any companies in which they or members of their family hold an interest, and of anyone who has given them money for any reason whilst in office.

Voters and politicians on both sides, as well as law enforcement agencies can decide whether and how much these things matter, and there would be fewer accusations of impropriety and opportunities for blackmail.

Casdon Mon 16-Jan-23 21:24:27

Katie59

Read up on Zahawi’s business dealings , it makes Johnson seem like a saint

Er - no, it doesn’t.

Fleurpepper Mon 16-Jan-23 21:10:52

Oreo

If we did that Fleurpepper I think we all know what we’d find!
Clue, it wouldn’t be the Labour Shadow Ministers.😁

shhhttt - how do you know, hey!

Come on, I really want to see those figures smile

Katie59 Mon 16-Jan-23 21:02:51

Read up on Zahawi’s business dealings , it makes Johnson seem like a saint

Wyllow3 Mon 16-Jan-23 20:05:40

I think what was previously unchallenged - tax dodging on huge scale -is increasingly being seen as unacceptable, especially by people holding positions of power when there is so much poverty, need, food banks, desperate NHS and Care system and so on.

It certainly is for me, and I hope we get changes in the law which make this impossible.

lemsip Mon 16-Jan-23 19:59:56

if you are a tory

or if you are a police officer judging by news today

volver Mon 16-Jan-23 19:40:37

...and its gone...

Not me, folks.

Wyllow3 Mon 16-Jan-23 19:39:46

"Zahawi is an Iraqi Kurd and is a very dodgy character, if he didn’t declare everything correctly it was tax evasion. "

Katie, to me that comes across as an openly racist remark. Not on. Basically it suggests that his dodgyness is due to his country and culture of origin.

volver Mon 16-Jan-23 19:35:31

why is is it

volver Mon 16-Jan-23 19:32:11

Far be it from me to defend the Tories, but why is is relevant that he is an Iraqi Kurd, Katie59?