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Is it OK to break the law if you are a Tory?

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CvD66 Mon 16-Jan-23 13:12:20

In 1987 Lester Pigott was imprisoned for tax evasion of £3m. Nadhim Zahawi (former chancellor) is having to pay back £3m used a tax evasion process incorrectly. He lied about this process and instructed lawyers to threaten a tax lawyer, who exposed him. Zahawi should resign and then face criminal charges both for the tax evasion and threats. But he’s a Tory….and the BBC aren’t even covering his crime.

ronib Mon 23-Jan-23 15:01:32

Fleurpepper

We are now in 2023- so that is all irrelevant. Now is NOW- and this is the current situation that needs investigating.

I shall try again. Nesrine Malik Guardian TODAY

Look at how the 1 per cent are doing right now, and tell me the system isn’t rigged.

Available online. Then scream 😱

Fleurpepper Mon 23-Jan-23 14:55:13

We are now in 2023- so that is all irrelevant. Now is NOW- and this is the current situation that needs investigating.

ronib Mon 23-Jan-23 14:42:01

Does anyone mind if I broaden the topic? A very quick look at

thebackbencher.co.uk

A brief history of Labour tax avoidance by Lee Jenkins April 11th 2016

And of course I am sure there’s even more written about the Conservatives etc. The point I am trying to make is that political power has been and continues to be used to the advantage of the political class in agreeing to the current system of tax avoidance and evasion.

Please don’t shoot the messenger.

varian Mon 23-Jan-23 13:34:16

Happygirl79

Fleurpepper

Probably because so many of them are guilty of same! Disgusting.

We should all write to our MPs about this, and say exactly what is in the OP.

I totally agree. The others are probably doing exactly the same

There would be litttle point in me writing to my MP, David Warburton

"Tory MP broke rules over £150,000 loan from Russian businessman watchdog finds.

David Warburton apologises after standards chief finds he failed to properly register and declare loan"

www.independent.co.uk/independentpremium/uk-news/conservative-mp-russia-david-warburton-b2230785.html

Warburton was "rapped over the knuckles " and told not to do it again by the standards chief, in spite of his having brought the dodgy Russian into the House of Commons to introduce him to Rees Mogg in an attempt to have his ban from involvement in financial services lifted and havingprocured a lucrative part time job for his brother-in-law with the dodgy Russian.

Nothing seems to have yet been resolved about the accusations of sexual assault by three different women or the evidence of Warburton consuming what appeared to be cocaine which appeared all over newspapers last April.

Obviously there should have been a byelection in Somerton and Frome, which was previously represented by a good Liberal Democrat for eighteen years, but the Tory Party seems so used to its MPs misbehaving that he has not been forced to resign. Warburton was listed as a member of the ERG.

The so-called Conservative Party, now controlled by the ERG, is rotten to the core.

MaizieD Mon 23-Jan-23 13:31:12

It has now been announced that Sunak has asked his ethics adviser to investigate the Zahawi affair.

So there's another can being kicked down the road.

In meantime, Zahawi is refusing to resign as tory party Chairman and says he will not comment on his tax affairs until the enquiry reports.

Fleurpepper Mon 23-Jan-23 13:26:09

Exactly!

Dinahmo Mon 23-Jan-23 13:24:34

There's absolutely no way in which a man of Zahawi's intelligence and business acumen could make an innocent mistake. There is an enormous range of innocent mistakes but setting up an offshore fund to transfer my shareholdings to is not one of them. With the kind of money involved anyone would be thinking seriously about that action and maybe consulting more than one set of advisers.

ronib Mon 23-Jan-23 13:23:53

Grantanow I agree but why do you think Parliament of all hues hasn’t changed the laws as much as possible to avoid tax evasion? Could be a mutual benefit?

Grantanow Mon 23-Jan-23 12:37:35

Tax evasion is illegal and should be prosecuted. Tax avoidance, while legal, is all too common especially by the wealthy with teams of accountants and lawyers. Parliament should legislate to minimize it. No ifs, no buts.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 12:12:07

Dan Neidle

More questions. If Zahawi just made an innocent mistake and did his civic duty in cleaning it up… why did he threaten to sue people reporting on it? And try to keep those threats secret?

Fleurpepper Sun 22-Jan-23 10:30:47

The latest in a long and lingering stench of CONservative sleaze, coercion and corruption emanating from CONservative central office, Downing Street, Whitehall and Westminster sees the former chancellor, Nadhim Zahawi, fighting for his political career.

The CONservative party chairman and Chancellor of the Dutchy of Lancaster seat within Rishi Sunak’s Government of ‘Integrity, Professionalism and Accountability’ appears to be on less than Stable ground as his tax affairs are picked over by the press and media.

It has been reported that solicitors letters were sent by lawyers, acting for Mr Zahawi, threatening legal action against an individual investigating the Tory MP's financial affairs ... and later that attempts were made to block publication of this investigation in the press ...

... this follows an interview given by the then Chancellor of the Exchequer last year who, it would appear, told barefaced lies to Kay Burley and her viewers about who benefit from the Gibraltar offshore trust 'Balshore Investments Limited'.
The Tory cabinet minister was benefitting from this offshore trust, as a financial document published by YouGov showed that a dividend payment due to go to Balshore ... instead was used to pay off loans owed by Mr Zahawi.

The above actions are not those of a politician that lives by Nolan’s seven principles of public life; that strives to adhere to parliamentary codes of conduct and practices or even comply with our nations rule of law ... but of a conniving conman determined to protect his fortune from the taxman from a position of power.

The Tory chairman’s carefully worded written response that his actions were "careless and not a deliberate error" cannot be accepted in light of the weight of evidence against him and his subsequent actions to the contrary.

Fleurpepper Sun 22-Jan-23 10:19:13

Katie59

Zahawi is a crook he knew exactly what he was doing, he had his comeuppance with a 30% surcharge now he needs to loose his job, we don’t need MPs that deliberately evade taxes.

Yes, simple as ...

Fleurpepper Sun 22-Jan-23 10:18:29

Just watched the Kuensberg programme- other Tory ministers are squirming, but refusing to answer. They don't even say 'ah interesting question'- just squirm.

Honestly, forget about that seat belt- THIS is the question that needs answering.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 22-Jan-23 09:53:37

Most tax evaders who are charged with that level of evasion are taken to court and often imprisoned.

30% penalty will almost certainly increase as more comes to light.

Katie59 Sun 22-Jan-23 08:46:26

Zahawi is a crook he knew exactly what he was doing, he had his comeuppance with a 30% surcharge now he needs to loose his job, we don’t need MPs that deliberately evade taxes.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 21-Jan-23 16:30:45

What Zahawi did is criminal, and yet………….

Happygirl79 Sat 21-Jan-23 15:56:19

Fleurpepper

Probably because so many of them are guilty of same! Disgusting.

We should all write to our MPs about this, and say exactly what is in the OP.

I totally agree. The others are probably doing exactly the same

Fleurpepper Sat 21-Jan-23 13:51:05

Exactly!

Dinahmo Sat 21-Jan-23 13:35:04

An HMRC investigator of 40 years, talking on LBC, discussing Zahawi, confirmed that Zahawi has had to pay a 30% penalty. That percentage is at the start of the range for deliberate and concealed errors - ie fraudulent.

Fleurpepper Thu 19-Jan-23 17:00:03

MaizieD

Dan Neidle sets out the whole story of his involvement in the Zahawi affair.

If anyone's interested

www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/01/19/zahawi_story/

Pretty damning. Hope GSM has read it.

ronib Thu 19-Jan-23 16:27:31

MaizieD Dan Neidle has the utmost respect for Rishi Sunak’s intelligence and probity tweeted Dan. I don’t know what to think!

ronib Thu 19-Jan-23 16:06:57

Sorry MaizieD I’m tired 😴 I think my neighbour might know Dan as both once at Clifford Chance! I wonder if Dan is interested in some of the issues we raise? Probably not….

MaizieD Thu 19-Jan-23 12:42:28

Got it, ronib. Thanks.

I was searching on Jackie Smith, but it's Beckie Smith... grin

MaizieD Thu 19-Jan-23 12:35:35

Dan Neidle sets out the whole story of his involvement in the Zahawi affair.

If anyone's interested

www.taxpolicy.org.uk/2023/01/19/zahawi_story/

ronib Wed 18-Jan-23 21:29:25

MaizieD civilserviceworld.com
Go to news
Then about 15th down on list
HMRC - not deploying
Sorry using mobile phone so can’t paste link