Is it OK to break the law if you are a Tory?

ronib

MaizieD Civil Service World 12th January 2023 article by Jackie Smith is a good start on Inland Revenue

I can't find it, ronib. I can find the journal, but not the article. Do you have a link to it?

I think we need to focus.

Germanshepherdsmum

Not all partners in Magic Circle firms.

I thought you’d had your last word ! hee hee

Casdon forget about politicians. It’s the actual Gransnet contributors who each have a vote. Although maybe we’re stymied with the offerings but that’s a different issue!

I really don’t think that there are people working for politicians scanning Gransnet for ideas though ronib, do you? These are the sort of conversations you have down the pub (although maybe some people are slightly less polite online), there’s nothing amazing in it - they may be surprised that so many grans do understand what’s going on I suppose.

Voters have influence too. Just a thought

Casdon no that’s not the point. My husband has posted stuff for a long time and he has discovered that gradually ideas get debated and get more generally considered. Nothing to do with state secrets.

ronib

Varian you don’t know who is reading the posts.

Why would that matter when the information being discussed is in the public domain ronib, it’s not as though state secrets are being shared, is it?

Quite right ronib I don't know.

If I thought that GN posts are being read by folk with influence I would be encouraged to post much more.

Varian you don’t know who is reading the posts.

Unfortunately *ronib", I do not believe that Gransnet is required reading for Tory politicians, or indeed anyone in a position of power.

Varian seems to me that at the moment Gransnet is doing the work of the opposition. What is wrong with the way the government, opposition and civil service co-exist? The thread has developed from issues surrounding NZ and his lack of accountability.

Good on the grannies though

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1320278-Jacob-Rees-Moggs-bonfire-of-EU-laws

I think we should perhaps have a thread just devoted to the effects of cuts in the civil service.

It is hard to believe that only 4% of asylum claims are dealt within a year (I'm sorry but I can't find the reference)

It is hard to believe that only 7% of security checks required for people to be engaged in high security risk occupations are carried out within six months, as they are supposed to be.

Meanwhile Jacob Rees Mogg and his ERGs are seriously proposing a piece of legislation which would commit the government to abolishing about 4000 UK laws derived from our former membership of the EU, by the end of this year!!!! - requiring the full-time work of how many thousands of civil servants?

Whitewavemark2 the article in Civil Service News 12 January is very good at figures. 40 billion in lost taxes for a start due to insufficient staff.

I have not lost contact with friends who are still working in the HMRC since I left, and what Maizie said is absolutely correct. Staff cuts have been tremendous, which of course has meant that the work previously done is now not carried out at the level that should be carried out.

Staff are stretched and stressed and moral is continuously low. It is grim.

If you want to be more scientific in your analysis of social class, the Registrar General’s scale is a good start.

Oh dear. The loopholes are the loopholes and the number of them doesn’t vary depending on how powerful someone is. ‘If a Tory breaks the law they should be held accountable but they are not.’ Evidence please? Everyone who breaks the law should face justice, whether that’s a speeding ticket or a prison sentence. But exploiting a loophole to avoid paying tax is not breaking the law. How often does it have to be said?

Yes, the more powerful you are the more loopholes there are for you to evade tax, but God help you if you are the person in the street and they think you have been a benefit cheat. If a tory breaks the law they should be held accountable but they are not. I personally think they should close all the legal tax loopholes that enable the rich and powerful to avoid paying their fair share of tax. The ordinary Joe Bloggs gets hammered for tax, and at present they are trying to dismantle the heating allowance for over-60's which we have paid into!! They are not giving us anything. They are trying to make it means tested which would mean only those on basic state pension or Pension Credit will receive it. Quite a few of us are over the threshhold for Pension Credit. Yes tories who break the law should face justice, but they won't.

He’s a useful example though!😊

Germanshepherdsmum

That’s right volver. And I always quote the late David Amess to those who say they’re all in it for themselves. Many could earn far more than an MP’s salary.

I can't abide Douglas Ross but I don't think he's posh or crooked!

Nannan2
It probably IS all the tories though.
Tut tut. That counts as exaggeration.

That’s right volver. And I always quote the late David Amess to those who say they’re all in it for themselves. Many could earn far more than an MP’s salary.

MaizieD Civil Service World 12th January 2023 article by Jackie Smith is a good start on Inland Revenue

Exception to prove the rule GSM 😉