Jacinda Ardern lets the side down

Interesting post there from your angle maddyone as an onlooker, and your daughter working in NZ. My NZ family say the same thing.

Maybe Jacinda wants to distance herself from Harry & Meghan after all the Netflix debacle involving her. Or even worse, she would risk having a break down if they asked her to move there. Joke!!

Dickens I didn't like her or her politics, but in that moment, I did feel a little sympathy for her. Why? I think because she genuinely believed in her ideology, and it must have hurt a bit to be ousted.
I can remember shedding tears. I too was absolutely not a Margaret Thatcher fan, but I do believe she genuinely believed in her political view, and I don't think she was evil. I have watched many Charlie Mackesy (who I adore!) videos, and the one where he and his friends encounter Margaret Thatcher is quite revealing. I fail to see how anyone with true empathy cannot be moved by genuine emotion and grief. You don't have to share any views, ideology etc with the individual but just empathise with someone in an extreme emotional and therefore vulnerable state.

Kandinsky

Theresa May cried.

Margaret Thatcher cried.

Point proven.
Maybe women are too emotional for politics.
Did Boris cry when he was booted out?

Boris did something far more damaging to our political life - he plotted his revenge and return, unable to accept that he was at fault and not everyone else. He was also one of the conspirators determined to oust Theresa May.

If they can't accept defeat, maybe men are too unstable for politics? Donald Trump is another one whose ego is so large he can't accept that he is not the popular icon he believes himself to be.

There is nothing wrong with being genuinely sad at leaving a post that has for months / years taken over your whole life because of a cause you believe in. Thatcher may have cried - but she was not called the Iron Lady without reason.

... and George Osborne cried at her funeral and admitted he felt "very emotional". Maybe he's too emotional for politics?

I don't think your point is proven at all.

"World leader"? I don't think she ever regarded that as her remit. Prime Minister of a country with a small population – yes – and in my opinion she made a pretty good job of it. "Maybe women are too emotional for politics"? Oh for goodness sake, this is the twenty-first century. I thought that old chestnut was dead and buried except in the USA.

varian

I 've read the comments pn this thread and I do wonder, why do right wing people have to be so mean spirited.?

... I remember Margaret Thatcher shedding tears when she left Downing Street for the last time.

I didn't like her or her politics, but in that moment, I did feel a little sympathy for her. Why? I think because she genuinely believed in her ideology, and it must have hurt a bit to be ousted.

If you can't be magnanimous to your 'enemy' in their defeat, I think it's a poor show.

I'd imagine that some of the online bile and hatred directed at Jacinda Adern might have had something to do with her decision, and as the mother of a young daughter she might feel it's not a healthy environment for either of them - nor her husband.

However, being mean-spirited is not the preserve of the right-wing... there were some pretty nasty comments made about Thatcher when she died...

Jacinda Ardern hasn’t let the side down, she has jumped before she was pushed. A sensible decision. She’s no longer very popular here in New Zealand because of the damage brought on to the economy during the extremely long and and often viewed as harsh, lockdown. Many, many businesses have gone to the wall without the tourist trade. It’s possible that New Zealanders don’t realise that the tourist trade would have stopped anyway because of the lockdowns elsewhere. Also the health service is struggling here just as much as in the UK. People pay to visit a GP, between from £25 up to £60/70 per visit. They then pay for their drugs, and GPs are not allowed to prescribe all drugs as they see fit, only the one or two that the state agrees to. When there are a certain number of people on a waiting list the list is closed. You can’t even get on the list. Anyone who can afford it pays for private insurance. This information came from my GP daughter who is working on New Zealand at the moment. The country is generally fed up with Jacinda and a Nationalist government is predicted at the next election. There is also rampant inflation, yesterday it was reported that fruit and vegetable inflation is running at 30%. It’s easy to see things through rose coloured specs from the other side of the world. I’m in New Zealand now and have been for the last couple of months. I’m looking forward to going home in a couple of weeks though.

Did Jacinda cry?
She was emotional but I didn't see tears.

Male politicians have cried in public.

Kandinsky

Theresa May cried.

Margaret Thatcher cried.

Point proven.
Maybe women are too emotional for politics.
Did Boris cry when he was booted out?

You’re a man, aren’t you Kandinsky? No woman except a subservient one would say something so sexist.

No Johnson didn't cry, but then he didn't show much empathy, integrity or humanity either.

Kadinsky I think you are just hoping for an outraged response - 'fraid I'm not playing that game.

volver

Aha, my exaggeration thread did the trick!!

Staying on when she was not able to give 100% would be letting the side down

Oops, I should have said 99.9%

It’s inspiring to see a politician who isn’t trying to cling on to power come hell or high water.

I think those who do, regardless of competence or any mature consideration of their effectiveness, are letting down their country.

Mr Johnson's last speech

When a man's an empty kettle
He should be on his mettle
And yet I'm torn apart
Just because I'm presumin'
That I could be kind of human
If I only had a heart
I'd be tender, I'd be gentle
And awful sentimental
Regarding love and art
I'd be friends with the sparrows
And the boy that shoots the arrows
If I only had a heart
Picture me a balcony
Above a voice sings low
Wherefore art thou, Romeo?
I hear a beat, how sweet!
Just to register emotion, jealousy, devotion
And really feel the part
I could stay young and chipper
And I'd lock it with a zipper
If I only had a heart

No johnson didnt cry. He lied a lot though.
Also when he was booted out he stamped his feet like a toddler via his speech in parliament.

she hasn't let me down, she is a good, strong woman
all the best to her

What's wrong with crying?

Angela Merkel cried.
I wouldn't exactly call her emotional though.

Theresa May cried.

Margaret Thatcher cried.

Point proven.
Maybe women are too emotional for politics.
Did Boris cry when he was booted out?

That is very true, I am very thankful to have been in NZ over that time.
Though NZ is a much easier place to shut down than the UK.

She was amazing during the pandemic. Against all the odds she closed down the country and that saved many lives

Her government administered vaccines to all and thus even when the covid hit - and it did- the number of deaths was very low.

Whereas here in Britain the number of deaths from covid was topping 1000 a day including my DFiL I blame our very stupid government under Boris .

Jacinta has been looking unwell for a while. I believe she has worked hard and given her all and her health has suffered.
Good on her for not destroying herself. She led NZ through some difficult moments.
She is not as popular over here in NZ, the Labour government, was elected on huge promises which they haven’t been able to keep or haven’t bothered to keep. I am afraid the kindness and humanity of our Labour government has been just words not actions. Instead we have had other policies which weren’t in any election manifesto pursued despite huge opposition from the voting public.

volver

Aha, my exaggeration thread did the trick!!

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Aha, my exaggeration thread did the trick!!

varian

Sorry GG, I should have said "some right wing people"

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Sorry GG, I should have said "some right wing people"