Davos and Greta Thunberg

Difficult given that Germany relied on Russian fuel that has been cut, so I’m not so sure this is corporate greed rather than dire necessity.

The way we consume resources is not a “dire necessity”, we do it because we want the lifestyle, we don’t have totravel the way we do, or buy consumer goods, or a new car every 3 yrs.
Dont blame politicians, we are all responsible, nothing is going to change unless we consume less.

Katie59 I was talking about Germany who don’t seem to have enough alternative power so are reopening this coal mine. Previously they relied solely on Russia. I’m not talking cars or travel but ordinary people who need to be able to heat and eat.

Talking of travel - how did everyone, national representatives and activists alike, get to Davos? By air mainly with numerous private jets flying in as well as commercial flights to nearby airports. Nearby is actually over 100 miles away so it's train or car to Davos - all using fossil fuels. Surely if lockdown showed us anything it was that it's perfectly possible to have virtual meetings and conferences. Perhaps activists (as well as governments and big business) should heed their own demands.

I wonder if someone were to suggest that they meet in a less attractive location they might prefer a zoom meeting. 😄

Is there any chance of ever having a thread about people meeting to discuss climate change without somebody piping up that they are all on a jolly and should have used Zoom?

Doubt it.

Starmer said in Davos today that if he becomes PM there will be no more licences for exploration in the North Sea for oil and gas. The OG lobby have said that "words have consequences".

Well burning fossil fuels and changing the climate have consequences too. I know what consequences I would prefer.

How did Greta get to Davos? Walk or cycle?

She clicked the heels of her ruby slippers together.

Greta travelled for 32 hours by train

I've posted this many times, but I'll do it again for consistency.

Climate protestors are protesting at the fact that the world we live in today, means that if people want to have normal lives they have to use the things that are available to us today. And that means things, such as transportation, that damage the environment.

So they are asking governments and big business to change things and provide the services we need in a way that means that the climate is minimally impacted. Expecting them to stay home all the time and complaining that they don't is missing the point, and just very naïve.

Anyone ever travelled on The Flying Scotsman?

volver

Is there any chance of ever having a thread about people meeting to discuss climate change without somebody piping up that they are all on a jolly and should have used Zoom?

Doubt it.

I'm with Greta, sorry.

" We are right now in Davos where basically the people who are mostly fuelling the destruction of the planet, the people who are at the very core of the climate crisis, the people who are investing in fossil fuels. Yet somehow these are the people that we seem to rely on solving the problems.

Got a point?
Yes, Greta, you have.

^They have proven time and time again that they are not prioritising that. They are prioritising self-greed , corporate greed and short term economic profits above people and above the planet^"

We need to take a closer look at the at what is happening in Davos, who they are, what they represent and why.

I'm with Greta too. (Only metaphorically because she is actually in Davos.) Hence my post at 19:52.

Katek

Talking of travel - how did everyone, national representatives and activists alike, get to Davos? By air mainly with numerous private jets flying in as well as commercial flights to nearby airports. Nearby is actually over 100 miles away so it's train or car to Davos - all using fossil fuels. Surely if lockdown showed us anything it was that it's perfectly possible to have virtual meetings and conferences. Perhaps activists (as well as governments and big business) should heed their own demands.

Exactly. I bet there were plenty of limousines taking all the loud mouths to their luxury “jolly”.

"Jolly" (ticked off)

Anyone want to mention Zoom again?

I didn't actually say they were on a jolly, but that given a global communications network it's not necessary to gather in one place

I do accept that realistically fossil fuels won’t last forever so we do need to develop other energy sources.

My view is that we need to move (at a sensible pace) towards nuclear and possibly hydrogen (although that’s got pros and cons) and small nuclear modular reactors based on fourth generation tech. look promising. 4th gen reactors can actually use spent fuel from older reactors as their fuel source, leaving much less long-term radioactive waste and they are much safer. Nuclear plants (once up and running) have very low emissions

Of course, there’s always the dream of Fusion Reactors one day and then all our problems (real and imaginary) would be solved!

volver

I'm with Greta too. (Only metaphorically because she is actually in Davos.) Hence my post at 19:52.

Or - I wish I was with Greta!

He's up against it, though, volver
And I don't mean just the Conservatives.

I didn't actually say they were on a jolly, but that given a global communications network it's not necessary to gather in one place Disagree.

I do accept that realistically fossil fuels won’t last forever so we do need to develop other energy sources We need to do that now before global warming goes to far, not hang around until they run out.

My view is that we need to move (at a sensible pace) sensible pace is as fast as our little legs will carry us towards nuclear and possibly hydrogen (although that’s got pros and cons) and small nuclear modular reactors based on fourth generation tech. look promising. 4th gen reactors can actually use spent fuel from older reactors as their fuel source, leaving much less long-term radioactive waste and they are much safer. Nuclear plants (once up and running) have very low emissions. Nuclear won't save us. It will kill us.

Of course, there’s always the dream of Fusion Reactors one day and then all our problems (real and imaginary) would be solved! Yes, that would be fantastic. But until then....?

Nuclear won't save us. It will kill us
Yes, possibly or even probably.
☹
Lessons will be learned. 🤔

Callistemon21

^Nuclear won't save us. It will kill us^
Yes, possibly or even probably.
☹
Lessons will be learned. 🤔

Yes of course nuclear energy will kill us …. The French are all dead!

I was quoting volver and agreeing with her.

What do the French have to do with it?

Chernobyl. Zaporizhzhia. Fukushima. Three Mile Island.