Sometimes I am ashamed

Oh good. Back to the vigilantism.

i’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore
Ooh, is anyone quaking in their boots ? 😂

Nothing quite so sentimental as the Scots on Burns night.

Och, you should see me on Hogmanay.

Except you can't, because you don't live here any more.

MerylStreep

^i’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore^
Ooh, is anyone quaking in their boots ? 😂

😂😂😂

"I've been insulted in better places than this!!"

volver

Mollygo
VD
I'm starting to wonder what you are talking about, though...
Don’t worry about it VD. I’ve noticed some things will always be beyond your comprehension.
When they are literal nonsense I certainly don't understand them or the mind of the person who thinks them up...
Literal nonsense -Which is exactly how your posts appear, VD.

You don't move 500 miles south into another country and tell the people back home that you're ashamed of them for making their own decisions.

Really? Why on earth not?

Others do that on GN all the time.

Galaxy

Lines have been crossed. Are you joking. There have been women raped by this man.

But VD doesn’t care about that as long as she can make her points. In one area, she is for once speaking the truth.
On the way home from work today, I listened to some Scottish woman (presumably female, but who knows in Scotland) who said that every case of where to house a prisoner is considered carefully and we must take into account the safety of the prisoner.
So the stupidity and lack of care for females (prisoners and staff) was already in place before the latest stupidity of GRC was even considered. Wee Nic just enhanced the potential for there to be more events like this rapist, realising his authentic self as a TW, by reducing the criteria for self ID.

Callistemon21

^You don't move 500 miles south into another country and tell the people back home that you're ashamed of them for making their own decisions^.

Really? Why on earth not?

Others do that on GN all the time.

Exactly Calli. Nail on head.
I remember a poster who lived in Switzerland saying similar about the UK & Brexit quite frequently.
She often put the UK down!

volver

You're not really paying attention.

You don't move 500 miles south into another country and tell the people back home that you're ashamed of them for making their own decisions.

Like Peter Finch said in Network, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more" 😡

500 miles. ?

youtu.be/tbNlMtqrYS0

You don't move 500 miles south into another country

Did you need your passport at the border, MawtheMerrier?

I mostly get smuggled over in a wee boat 🚢

You're not really paying attention

AttenShun!! All present and correct, Chief!
Chief - where are you Chief?

I admit I'm not up to speed on transgender issues, but I have been pondering on and off during the evening...

If a man who has raped a woman (or more than one in this case) later identifies as a woman - what is he actually identifying with? What does he associate with ^womanhood that makes him want to identify with it?

This is not a facetious question - I genuinely don't understand. Because it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I understand individuals, men and women, not wanting to conform to stereotypes of either sex (I never have wanted to be a stereotypical woman either).

He's guilty of rape of women - and now wants to identify as one?

He wants an easier time in jail and he wants access to women while he's there.

There's no point trying to look for any sort of normal reason.
The guy is an abusive male and he does things for selfish reasons.
That's all there is to it.

Here's what former Cornton Vale prison governor Rhona Hotchkiss has to say about it.

news.stv.tv/scotland/ex-prison-governor-says-trans-rapist-isla-bryson-should-not-be-in-prison-at-all-female-cornton-vale

“I understand they are being held in segregation or isolation, however that can’t be sustained for more than 72 hours without the permission of Scottish ministers."

“If the person isn’t presenting an active threat to staff or prisoners, they have to be released into general circulation."

“I think I make of the situation what most reasonably-minded people would, it’s appalling. The thought that a double rapist can identify his way into a women’s prison should shock everyone."

“The other shocking aspect of that, of course, is the Scottish Parliament could have chosen to legislate against that happening and they didn’t."

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M0nica

I assume he will be isolated from other prisoners, not sharing a cell with natal women.

Or can I assume that, sigh.

That has been said in some reports M0nica but see my above post - you can't assume that at all.

So those who have been oppressed women in Iran and moved to Australia shouldn’t be critical of Iran because they don’t live there anymore? No one can criticise the land of their birth because they don’t actually live there anymore?

Btw, when asked, MSPs say that the Scottish Prison Service makes its own rules and ScotGov has no responsibility for how it runs its prisons.

So that's all right. 🙄

Seems like it nanna8.
Luckily, tho, volver isn't even the thread monitor around here, never mind international legislator, so I think that rule can safely be disregarded.

FarNorth

Sticking up for rapists- not a good look volver.

How dare you.

You've all lost the way, just like the vigilante thread.

Reported.

I really don't believe that volver is sticking up for rapists (and I'm not a fan of volver).

I believe she's defending a principle - or a point.

I'm totally opposed to capital punishment - but that doesn't mean that I'm defending murderers.

Dickens

I really don't believe that volver is sticking up for rapists (and I'm not a fan of volver).

I believe she's defending a principle - or a point.

I'm totally opposed to capital punishment - but that doesn't mean that I'm defending murderers.

I second that.

I dont want anyone to be harmed whatever they have done. I want prisons to be segregated by sex.
I also want victims of sexual assault not to be further victimised by having their Male rapist described as she.

Galaxy

I dont want anyone to be harmed whatever they have done. I want prisons to be segregated by sex.
I also want victims of sexual assault not to be further victimised by having their Male rapist described as she.

This!

Galaxy

I dont want anyone to be harmed whatever they have done. I want prisons to be segregated by sex.
I also want victims of sexual assault not to be further victimised by having their Male rapist described as she.

How will Bryson's conviction appear in the 'Statistics'?

The offences were committed when Bryson was a man... but is now convicted - as a woman?

I also want victims of sexual assault not to be further victimised by having their Male rapist described as she.

Yes, I find that somewhat grotesque.

But what is even more grotesque (IMO) is that Bryson's defence has attempted to portray the defendant as a victim because of his emotional turmoil at the time of his marriage breakdown. Which, apparently, precludes him from being a 'predatory' male.

Edward Targowski KC, for the defence, described the three main witnesses in the trial as “vulnerable”, adding: “And that includes Isla Bryson.”

The Defence has introduced the idea that rape is somewhat 'understandable' so long as the man isn't considered predatory, and is going through emotional troubles. I know he didn't actually say that, but it is what is inferred, isn't it?

If Bryson is compos mentis, then she at the time of the rapes should've been able to understand that No means No, and that rape is rape. And if she's not rational, then one can question her commitment to identifying as a woman - no? She was, apparently, aware at the age of four that she was in the 'wrong body'.

Bryson's ex wife says she's a sham and is scamming to avoid being detained in a male environment. But then she (Bryson's ex-wife) obviously has an axe to grind.