Sometimes I am ashamed

given what his ex wife has told the daily mail, it sounds like the police and CPS need to look at whether he needs to convicted on a GBH/ABH charge too

Why on earth did they not prosecute him for stabbing her? It can hardly be described as a domestic incident

Indeed. That's quite a girly bulge he's got there.

But he’s quite girly really don’t you think?

Btw, here's a pic of Isla Bryson / Adam Graham.

Asked directly by [Douglas] Ross if it was safe for female prisoners to be in the same facility as a double rapist, [Nicola] Sturgeon responded: “Firstly, in general, any prisoner who poses a risk of sexual offending is segregated from other prisoners, including during any period of risk assessment.

“Secondly, there is no automatic right for a trans woman convicted of a crime to serve their sentence in a female prison, even if they have a gender recognition certificate. Every case is subjected to rigorous individual risk assessment and as part of that the safety of other prisoners is paramount.

“Finally, in general terms and perhaps most importantly, I heard the chief executive of Rape Crisis Scotland say yesterday: ‘I don’t see how it’s possible to have a rapist within a female prison.’ And so let me be very clear, I agree with that statement.”

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/26/trans-woman-isla-bryson-found-guilty-rape-not-be-held-in-womens-prison-sturgeon

So it's taken public outrage plus pressure from MSPs, to get a rapist moved out of a women's prison.
We can be sure that that was not the original intention as it would have been stated right away, as soon as concerns were raised, if so.

There should be no rapists in women's prisons because there should be no male prisoners in women's prisons.
Men who say they are transwomen are male.

Here is Rhona Hotchkiss, retired prison governor, on World at One on Thursday.

From 17.40 to 23.45
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001hfqz?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

Parsley3

He is going to Saughton which is a male prison.

Wonder what the inmates there will make of this guy?

I presume so, Mollygo because their client has told them that they are a woman.
Whether or not the barrister/advocate truly believes that is irrelevant.

Thank you Callistemon21.
So as long as the law allows a rapist (male) to be incarcerated with females, an advocate would advocate that.

Mollygo

Ok, different training, similar job.
But the important part of the question was whether ^these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?^

Their focus is on their client, not the victims so they will try to do their very best for their client within the law.

He is going to Saughton which is a male prison.

I heard that item and it included Nicola Sturgeon saying that the person will not be held in Cornton Vale.
She did not specify, however, whether he would be housed with females elsewhere, or genuinely in a male prison with other males.

Someone on this thread commented that he would have an unpleasant time if housed with other males.
It's up to the Prison Service to prevent that without forcing him, or any other males, onto women prisoners.

Ok, different training, similar job.
But the important part of the question was whether these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?

According to the Scottish News tonight, the rapist will now be going to a male prison. I only got the tail end of it, so don't know the details.

Callistemon21

Mollygo

Blondiescot

Being pedantic here, but we don't have barristers in Scotland, we have advocates.

And do these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?
I don’t mind a bit of pedantry so long as it doesn’t support misogyny. Who

It matters not what their job title is.
They presumably do the same job.

Similar, yes, although they undergo different training process here in Scotland.

I asked you Mollygo, you are the one using an abbreviation that has possibly insulting interpretations

Callistemon21

^Yes, I understand that. Who'd want to be a barrister!^

I've sometimes wondered how, in all conscience, can you defend that person?
How do you sleep at night?

The ‘cab rank principle’ obliges a barrister to take a case on if they are available and it’s within the area of law they specialise in. If the client says they are not guilty the barrister is duty bound to do their best to defend the client, and to put forward such mitigating factors as they can but they must not mislead the court by, if you like, ‘making stuff up’. I’m glad I decided not to be a barrister. I would find it very difficult if I was obliged to defend someone accused of, for instance, cruelty to animals. Solicitors are free to take a case on or decline it unless they are on the police station duty solicitor rota. I have never involved myself in criminal law for good reason.

Mollygo

VioletSky

Mollygo why do you keep calling volver "VD"?

Ask VD. She knows.

By any chance, does this refer to a previous username name? If so that is unfair.
There are those of us, who know posters by their previous user name, however we choose not to out them.

VioletSky

Mollygo why do you keep calling volver "VD"?

Ask VD. She knows.

Mollygo

Blondiescot

Being pedantic here, but we don't have barristers in Scotland, we have advocates.

And do these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?
I don’t mind a bit of pedantry so long as it doesn’t support misogyny. Who

It matters not what their job title is.
They presumably do the same job.

Mollygo why do you keep calling volver "VD"?

Blondiescot

Being pedantic here, but we don't have barristers in Scotland, we have advocates.

And do these advocates advocate males being placed in female prisons?
I don’t mind a bit of pedantry so long as it doesn’t support misogyny. Who

Being pedantic here, but we don't have barristers in Scotland, we have advocates.

Let's hope so!

I think it's the other way round, thanks to a lot of work by some brave women, I think the days of no debate are long gone, we are now having MPs from the labour party speaking out, with very few exceptions that wasnt the case even a few months ago.

If people are now afraid to discuss the issues involved in what is a serious, and for some, life-changing, matter... then we are rather doomed

Very true.
I think we are reaching that point.