Brexit has freed up the U.K. economy to be the worst performing economy in the Western world bar none. Great.
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(215 Posts)Grantanow
I notice that Brexiteers here do not deny all the disadvantages arising from Brexit which I and others have listed at length. It is all, alas, water under the bridge because no major Party with a hope of being in government wants to renegotiate entry to the EU and the valuable single market instigated by Thatcher and there is no guarantee the EU members would want us back. The only hope is a renegotiated treaty with better terms than those negotiated by the incompetent and careless Johnson who lied about some of the consequences e.g., no border in the Irish sea, no problems for fishers, no problem with farmers' pickers. My fear is that the Tories will get back in as a coalition with the Lib Dems. I voted Lib Dem to keep the Tories out and they ratted 13 years ago and I have no reason to suppose they wouldn't rat again once they saw the Ministerial salaries and expenses, cars, red boxes, etc., dangled by a Tory leader. The recent comments on the state of our hollowed-out military together with a lack of serious economic growth tells me we are sliding down from being a power in the world.
Why would they even take part in that discussion? They know you will come back at them and try and flatten them. What good does that do?
Brexit never existed. Or rather, it had so many descriptions it was both nothing and everything.
The vote was on leave or remain. We have left. Whatever we think, we now need to move forward and make the best of it. Making the best of it will not be achieved by those who voted to leave telling us the upside or those who voted to remain telling us the downside. We have all seen that growing our economy is down to those most affected by it. The people who are to blame are the regular crew - this government of decline. We now need a government that is there for all.
In the last two years, America’s Congress has passed three bills on infrastructure, semiconductor chips and greenery. These will not directly reduce inflation, but the growth they provide will. During this time, all our government has done is look backward, talk about the mythical advantages of Brexit and change the person at the top with monotonous regularity.
We need a government that is truly aiming at modern industrialisation, investing enough in the left-behind places so they can grow themselves, giving people a chance of a true living income and fulfilling our green promises.
This government seems incapable of doing that. We need a new government not a constant attack on those who thought, for whatever reason, that to leave was the best thing for us.
What's happened to the £350m a week promised for the NHS when we left the EU? Delayed in the post, disappeared down the back of the sofa or ....were we being lied to?
Ashcombe
I have recently written to my MP regarding changes to rules for immigration to EU countries. Those of you who travel to and from Europe will be aware of the need to have passports stamped on entry and exit. EES is due to be introduced in May, 2023 (just over three months away) but I find no mention of this new regulation when I visit the UK government site, advising on travel to France. EES entails the fingerprinting and photographing of British travellers with these records being stored for future times when they might visit. Delays at ports and airports are expected when this is implemented. This will be followed by ETIAS being implemented in November of this year.
This is interesting. I returned from New Zealand today, arriving at Heathrow. Reading the information on who can use the e-gates at the airport I was surprised to see that all EU citizens are entitled to enter the UK via the e-gate, no fingerprints to be taken, no stamp of the passport, just free entry via the e-gate. No charge, and allowed to stay for a full six months in the UK. Given the conditions for British citizens to enter the EU from later this year, I wonder why we are being so generous with our entry conditions for EU citizens. Under the circumstances, I certainly wouldn’t be so generous.
Actually you talk a lot of sense DaisyAnne. As you say, we have left. Now we have to make the best of it. Long term, I believe we will.
What Lala land are you living in? Brexit always was going to be, and is, an unmitigated disaster.
What I do think as far as Labour and Lib-dems are concerned is that they (and I agree) recognise the ghastly divisions that have resulted from the Tory policies since the idiot Cameron decided on a referendum.
I am hoping that they will work towards informing the population that the way forward is what we were promised which is a soft Brexit. One, in which we recognise the EU economic block as an important trading area, but which will only work with closer ties. Most large trading blocks and countries have recognised this and have developed closer ties for their own economic benefit.
This type of Brexit I think is the best way to bring the population together, reverse the damage done to our economy and tens of thousands of businesses, one with which the vast majority would find acceptable.
As a poster is so fond of saying
“Let’s avoid extremes” 😄😄😄😄😄
I have just noticed on Facebook a post that reports that The Bank of England says that BREXIT has done 'more damage' than they were expecting.
Who to believe? Such a quandry.
But we can mitigate some of the damage, by having a closer relationship.
It is no big deal as it was absolutely promised by the leave campaign before the referendum.
Whitewavemark2
What I do think as far as Labour and Lib-dems are concerned is that they (and I agree) recognise the ghastly divisions that have resulted from the Tory policies since the idiot Cameron decided on a referendum.
I am hoping that they will work towards informing the population that the way forward is what we were promised which is a soft Brexit. One, in which we recognise the EU economic block as an important trading area, but which will only work with closer ties. Most large trading blocks and countries have recognised this and have developed closer ties for their own economic benefit.
This type of Brexit I think is the best way to bring the population together, reverse the damage done to our economy and tens of thousands of businesses, one with which the vast majority would find acceptable.
I completely agree, but I wonder how the UK can become a significant trading partner when it seems hellbent on ripping up all those "pesky" EU laws and directives. As most of them relate directly to trade, would a future Labour government have to re-instate them all again and how would that go down with the brexiteers? I can hear the cries of BRINO already.
Well, the headbangers will always resist, but I think that the majority are willing to try to unite the UK. The brexiters will retain Brexit, and the remainers will regain a soft Brexit.
With regard to the EU laws.
It is being recognised that probably 99% of them that we integrated into U.K. law are necessary and in fact vital to the smooth running of a modern economy. I am not so concerned as I initially was and am a bit more confident that this will be revisited and revised.
Those that will resist the most are those that have seen a huge Brexit benefit.
No guesses as to what that is😄
Whitewavemark2
But we can mitigate some of the damage, by having a closer relationship.
It is no big deal as it was absolutely promised by the leave campaign before the referendum.
A Leave voting caller on James O'Brien's programme today:
"Why can't it be the same as before we left?"
twitter.com/LBC/status/1621485416909094914
Or, Whitewavemark2 we could mitigate even more of the damage by REJOINING!!!
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Absolutely, but this will not happen very quickly - if at all- and almost certainly not in my life time (77).
It takes a minimum of 10 years from application.
Whitewavemark2
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That was to maizie
We should definitely have a closer relationship as Whitewave suggests and that will mitigate some of the problems, but with the EU bent on punishing us, as outlined in my earlier post re entry to EU for us and entry to the UK for their citizens, I don’t see how that will happen.
maddyone
We should definitely have a closer relationship as Whitewave suggests and that will mitigate some of the problems, but with the EU bent on punishing us, as outlined in my earlier post re entry to EU for us and entry to the UK for their citizens, I don’t see how that will happen.
They are treating us as the third country we became on leaving the EU.
We, I'll remind you, despite promises to the contrary, used EU citizens living in the UK as bargaining cards. Which was highly dishonourable.
All this talk of 'punishment is, I regret to say, infantile.
maddyone
We should definitely have a closer relationship as Whitewave suggests and that will mitigate some of the problems, but with the EU bent on punishing us, as outlined in my earlier post re entry to EU for us and entry to the UK for their citizens, I don’t see how that will happen.
All that will come out and be decided.
We will of course have to concede stuff, but we were always prepared to do that until as I said the headbangers got control.
Get rid of the extremes and common sense and a recognition over what is best for the U.K. will prevail I am sure.
Unfortunately I am now going out for the evening so will leave this conversation.
The EU is not punishing people. The UK asked to become a third country and that is indeed what it has become. Our Australian and American friends have always been registered when they come into the EU and had to be careful not to overstay. The UK is now in the same situation.
Etias should ultimately make things quicker.
Our French residency cards, like ID cards, already have our photo and fingerprints; that is why we don't need to get our passports stamped.
Urmstongran
Actually you talk a lot of sense DaisyAnne. As you say, we have left. Now we have to make the best of it. Long term, I believe we will.
Long term, I also believe we will, but not under this government who are running it down, bit by bit.
Yes, MaizieD, I heard the LBC conversation. I think the guy was called Andy. At one stage I thought he must just be winding JOB up. But no, he actually believed what he said. It makes you wonder how many more Andy's voted to leave.
Greta
Yes, MaizieD, I heard the LBC conversation. I think the guy was called Andy. At one stage I thought he must just be winding JOB up. But no, he actually believed what he said. It makes you wonder how many more Andy's voted to leave.
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