Capital Punishment

Yes it’s a problem, absconding on day release though it rarely happens at the north east prison, specifically aimed at prisoners going out to work.
Our prisons are over full. Probation was privatised and became useless so had to be brought back into public ownership. Other Northern European countries have better alternatives to custody and more civilised prisons where rehabilitation is an aim

Usernametaken

Yes,for Paedophiles, child rapists, premeditated murder and terrorists. Why should the tax payer keep them.

Of course, then every rape/paedophilia/incest victim would be murdered, to reduce the risk of identifying the perpetrator, since the punishment would be the same anyway.

My own view is that the death penalty is barbaric. I’m surprised that nobody has posted Ian Hislop debating with Patel on the matter:

www.indy100.com/politics/resurfaced-video-shows-ian-hislop-shutting-down-priti-patel-s-argument-in-favour-of-capital-punishment

Iam64

Sorry I’m not suggesting rapists murderers peadophiles should be in open prisons.

I agree. But they often are when they are reaching the end of their sentences.
It is not surprising that some, whom police believe have a high chance of re-offending, abscond and go missing for months, whilst on day release from HMP Leyhill.

Sorry I’m not suggesting rapists murderers peadophiles should be in open prisons.

Prison is tough, people who work in prisons don’t describe the environment as a holiday camp. The punishment is loss of liberty. The prisons that are able to offer education, groups, psychotherapy and more have less dangerous environments. The majority of prisoners come from unstable, abusive childhoods. Dyslexia, mental health problems, substance misuse, impulsive behaviour are over represented in the prison population. We don’t need more harsh regimes. A prison where inmates go out to work has a good success rate .

Usernametaken

Yes,for Paedophiles, child rapists, premeditated murder and terrorists. Why should the tax payer keep them.

Usernametaken The majority of those in the categories that you mention would have been related or known to their victims, apart from terrorists.

Farzanah - no, I have not experienced prison - thankfully.

Have you ever experienced prison Pink or spoken to anyone who has? Not many would describe it as “cushy”.

I think prison, in addition to removing offenders liberty, should be aimed more at rehabilitation, training, and drug, alcohol and mental health treatment. That may cut the reoffending rate, rather than harsh conditions and treatment, especially for minor offences.

No. But life should mean life.

Also, prisons shouldn't be cushy places, like they seem to be these days. After all they are supposed to be for punishment.

I am not advocating hard labour but prisoners these days seem to have it easy. No wonder there are repeat offenders. Their life inside is probably preferable to their life outside.

In fact the other day I was (jokingly) saying I should commit a crime in a few years and get a prison sentence. I wouldn't have to worry about accommodation, heating and food bills etc. like many pensioners do these days

I don't think I could remain living in a country which executed its citizens. Or where the majority of people were ignorant enough to vote for it.

Well going by the majority on this post I don’t believe that would happen rafichgran. I assume that most posting on here are older, and this is the demographic more likely to vote for reinstatement, and the consensus so far is against reinstatement.

I used to be for capital punishment but quickly changed my mind when I realised that, of course, innocent people have been executed.

I do think though, that life ought to be life and prisoners should live in a strict and hard routine. No point in them being in there if it is pleasant. As for them being hard to handle if life is tough, make the days harder for those who cause trouble. We need to be a lot harder about crime.

welbeck

no, you are wrong there, Curtain.
some do feel strongly for capital punishment but they are mostly elderly and thus diminishing.
the majority of uk population now are against.
the attitude has definitely shifted over the last 30 years.

I would not be so sure. I think if a referendum was held now my feeling is the vote would be to reinstate.
I agree though that not as many people would vote for its re introduction as previously, but I still think there is enough that would want its re introduction.

Usernametaken

Yes,for Paedophiles, child rapists, premeditated murder and terrorists. Why should the tax payer keep them.

All murder is pre-meditated, if it isn't, it is manslaughter. Terrorist? Would that include the late Nelson Mandela? Not quite as cut and dried as you imply, is it?

no, you are wrong there, Curtain.
some do feel strongly for capital punishment but they are mostly elderly and thus diminishing.
the majority of uk population now are against.
the attitude has definitely shifted over the last 30 years.

So if someone commits an awful murder, but is later found to have a brain condition, ie a tumour, which caused the deviant behaviour, do we execute them? They may only find on post mortem…..

It should only be carried out when there is absolutely no doubt of the person's guilt. The recent case of Katie Kenyon, where the whole thing was pre-planned and carried out is a typical case of malice aforethought. Then execution is the right course of action.
On a different tack...if there are more Conservatives like Lee Anderson out there....make yourselves known and the Tories might stay in power. This country needs more MPs with his attitude.

Yes,for Paedophiles, child rapists, premeditated murder and terrorists. Why should the tax payer keep them.

No, never.

I can't imagine that Carrick will survive his life sentence in prison. I think he's made some attempts at suicide already although half heartedly. Being an ex policeman and a sex offender there will be several other prisoners who will try to get at him.

grannydarkhair- I am totally opposed to capital punishment. I share your misgivings about prison for women committing low level crimes. However, I understand the frustration of the judiciary when faced with someone who endlessly flouts the law. One such parent in a school in which I taught stole from shops, from her neighbours, altered the meters to reduce her bills, drove cars with no tax or insurance ( and no driving licence!). She told me that she was expecting baby number 5 as she went to court for the most recent offence and added " they won't send me to jail pregnant " Well, dear reader "they" did - a few months and out before the baby was born, with an electronic tag. She was an engaging woman, but I shared the benches despair about her life choices, and the example she was setting for her children.

It's part spoof but based upon and including Lee's actual phrases.

Great send up by John Crace. Sadly spoofs can be difficult to recognise from genuine articles in some tabloids and dare I say it, some opinions.

Just read this
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/09/bring-back-hanging-and-real-men-making-the-tories-great-again-by-lee-anderson

Dinahmo
Was that what he actually said or is it a spoof?