Capital Punishment

Our courts make mistakes. Some innocent (mainly) men are freed after many years in prison when the truth is established, often after an uphill struggle with the system. Despite ruined lives they can be compensated, however inadequately. You can never compensate someone who has been executed after a mistake. I suppose 30p Lee is really saying, 'Execution solves the compensation problem'. He's not stupid of course: he knows how to divert attention from this awful Tory government's deliberate and careless mistakes.

Don’t believe in Capital punishment, but, I agree ‘Life’ should mean. I think in the USA it does(?) , but not here.

Dinahmo

30p Lee on Capital Punishment

"Capital punishment

There is currently an epidemic of violent crime in the country. Even the police, God bless them, are at it. People think they can get away with murder these days. But it’s got to stop. So now is the time to bring back hanging. Have you ever heard of a person who has been executed going on to re-offend? No. So it clearly works as a deterrent. And who cares if you occasionally kill the wrong person? Even if they hadn’t done that crime they would probably have gone on to commit another one. So no harm done. In any case, you can get too hung up on innocence and due process of the law. In any clampdown on serious crime there will be some collateral damage. People are far too squeamish. We could even reintroduce public executions. I’m sure people would want to pay to see them. Tory party members could have priority booking."

If you want to read more of this dreadful man's thoughts, here's a link www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/09/bring-back-hanging-and-real-men-making-the-tories-great-again-by-lee-anderson

I think that's John Crace's "humour".

Dinahmo

30p Lee on Capital Punishment

"Capital punishment

There is currently an epidemic of violent crime in the country. Even the police, God bless them, are at it. People think they can get away with murder these days. But it’s got to stop. So now is the time to bring back hanging. Have you ever heard of a person who has been executed going on to re-offend? No. So it clearly works as a deterrent. And who cares if you occasionally kill the wrong person? Even if they hadn’t done that crime they would probably have gone on to commit another one. So no harm done. In any case, you can get too hung up on innocence and due process of the law. In any clampdown on serious crime there will be some collateral damage. People are far too squeamish. We could even reintroduce public executions. I’m sure people would want to pay to see them. Tory party members could have priority booking."

If you want to read more of this dreadful man's thoughts, here's a link www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/09/bring-back-hanging-and-real-men-making-the-tories-great-again-by-lee-anderson

Good grief 😔

30p Lee on Capital Punishment

"Capital punishment

There is currently an epidemic of violent crime in the country. Even the police, God bless them, are at it. People think they can get away with murder these days. But it’s got to stop. So now is the time to bring back hanging. Have you ever heard of a person who has been executed going on to re-offend? No. So it clearly works as a deterrent. And who cares if you occasionally kill the wrong person? Even if they hadn’t done that crime they would probably have gone on to commit another one. So no harm done. In any case, you can get too hung up on innocence and due process of the law. In any clampdown on serious crime there will be some collateral damage. People are far too squeamish. We could even reintroduce public executions. I’m sure people would want to pay to see them. Tory party members could have priority booking."

If you want to read more of this dreadful man's thoughts, here's a link www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/09/bring-back-hanging-and-real-men-making-the-tories-great-again-by-lee-anderson

The recent murderer was given over 20 life sentences, personally I don’t thinks that’s civilised. Every person whose life it taken, has family that will be traumatised and their lives is ruined for ever, how many times has someone come out of prison and killed again? Look at all the rapists that kill, the drug pushers that kill because someone is on their patch., do they deserve to live?

Wyllow3

HousePlantQueen

I think this post, from The Secret Barrister, sums up my opinion nicely and better than I can;

a political party which continues to produce and promote people who, whether through their own ignorance or for their own perceived political advantage, seek to exploit and inflame the worst nature of their least informed constituents, should be nowhere near government

30p Lee is such a person.

Yes.

Completely agree. Must remember it.

HousePlantQueen

I think this post, from The Secret Barrister, sums up my opinion nicely and better than I can;

a political party which continues to produce and promote people who, whether through their own ignorance or for their own perceived political advantage, seek to exploit and inflame the worst nature of their least informed constituents, should be nowhere near government

30p Lee is such a person.

Yes.

grannydarkhair. I think you will find that women may be convicted of failing to pay a fine for a TV licence but in fact very rarely go to prison for this offence if you check your facts.

I do agree that women who end up in prison for indictable offences, ie theft from shops, fraud, assault, drugs and having offensive weapons, have often been victims of abuse themselves, and further punishment is a costly but not necessarily the best way to deal with them.

No, never. If even one person was executed and later deemed to have been innocent, that is one too many. I agree with others who say that a life sentence should be exactly that.
Juliet27 mentioned the cost of keeping someone in prison.
Are people aware that the most common reason for a woman being in prison is evasion of a TV licence. The second most common is shop-lifting, inevitably committed so as to be able to feed either/both their children/drug abuse. Also, the majority of women in prison have been victims of some form of abuse, including sexual and physical, often for years and are very vulnerable to further abuse.
Should either of these “crimes” be punished by a costly imprisonment? There is sometimes further expense to the state as their children have to be cared for whilst they are in prison if the other parent/relatives do not step in to take the children.

I think this post, from The Secret Barrister, sums up my opinion nicely and better than I can;

a political party which continues to produce and promote people who, whether through their own ignorance or for their own perceived political advantage, seek to exploit and inflame the worst nature of their least informed constituents, should be nowhere near government

30p Lee is such a person.

Well said Urms. I take great exception to those comments Riverwalk. May I then assume you’re a Southern Softie?
Anyway, I’m off to find my flat cap and feed the whippets!

For some cases, I say yes so do I Hithere.

I’m another old northerner totally against it.

When I was in my teens, I heard announcements of hangings on the radio news, and I used to say that in the future people would not believe that in our lifetimes people carried out such medieval punishments. Utterly barbaric.

I was listening to the Tom Swarbeck programme on LBC this afternoon.

Tom Swarbeck was at one time employed by the Conservative Party.

Someone phoned in and accused him and LBC of being so leftwing that people like him would never be allowed to say what they think.

He was then allowed by LBC to say what he thought which was that capital punishment should be brought back.

He backed up this statement by telling us that "everyone" agreed with him and he was part of the "silent majority" who were never allowed a voice on the lefty LBC.

Having listened to him I reflected on the fact that one characteristic of these far right opinionated people is that they really believe that "everyone" agrees with them.

Can this be true? How many people actually read "The Daily Exp[ress"?

sorry, as you were. ageing brain, i meant hanratty.

interesting that only two posters here would consider it, in some circumstances, and one of those is usa based, i believe.
in the past the population here in uk might have voted for it, but now, as there are fewer who remember it, i think the majority are against.
by the way, the latest research re derek bentley is less clear cut.

It's ok I have always found people from the south utterly lacking in critical thinking.

I’m old and northern. I didn’t vote Brexit and I’m opposed to the death penalty.

Prison, the loss of liberty is the punishment. Prisons aren’t holiday camps, they’re tough environments. I’m not sure how you’d have stopped Myra Hindley from lesbian affairs urmston. You can’t keep people in solitary for that reason , or for being a loathsome, manipulative (child murderer)

Urmstongran

Definitely not.

Loss of liberty for life ought to be a real punishment. I do think we are too soft on killers. Look at Myra Hindley - conducting a lesbian relationship in prison for example. Other examples are available but you all know what I’m getting at. Prison needs to be a very tough deterrent and voters know it isn’t. We read about drugs and mobile phones, games consoles etc and ask ourselves ‘who’s the daftest?’

This is why some people want the death penalty back.

Well said UG

I didn't think You could surprise me but you have.

I absolutely agree.

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The claim that capital punishment prevents re-offending is banal and does not address the cases in which mistakes led to innocent people being executed. Typical barbaric step back in time from a Tory appealing to the worst mass instincts. Ought to be sacked. Sunak has already said it's not on.

Urmstongran

Riverwalk

Farzanah

The consensus of views so far is interesting. It’s a common belief that if there was a referendum on Capital Punishment the majority would vote for reinstatement!

They're likely to be the same people who voted for Brexit - old, Northern, less well-educated, in the main.

I must be the exception that proves your rule Riverwalk!
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I was going to say "That's you told, Urms!" 😂

Urmstongran

Riverwalk

Farzanah

The consensus of views so far is interesting. It’s a common belief that if there was a referendum on Capital Punishment the majority would vote for reinstatement!

They're likely to be the same people who voted for Brexit - old, Northern, less well-educated, in the main.

I must be the exception that proves your rule Riverwalk!
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Urmst I did say, in the main!

I'm sure you're the honourable exception

Riverwalk

Farzanah

The consensus of views so far is interesting. It’s a common belief that if there was a referendum on Capital Punishment the majority would vote for reinstatement!

They're likely to be the same people who voted for Brexit - old, Northern, less well-educated, in the main.

I must be the exception that proves your rule Riverwalk!
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