WW 3 ..is this the reality?

I’m feeling a bit jittery about China’s involvement.

Normandygirl

maddyone

Normandygirl of course the facts I listed are undisputed facts.
You are trying hard to justify Russia’s aggression and frankly I think that is absolutely disgusting.

You only view my comments as justifying Russia because you seem to have no idea what brought about this war in the first place. The coverage of this conflict by the UK media is the most ludicrously biased news I have seen in my lifetime and you are blinded to any facts other than Ukraine being the completely innocent victims of completely inexplicable Russian aggression. The US has quite clearly and deliberately brought about this situation. One only has to look at the military history of the US to see the utter hypocrisy being spouted about Ukraine.
Why do you think that Russia should accept 10's of thousands American troops stationed right on it's border with Ukraine as has already happened in Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria? Do you believe that the US would tolerate thousands of Russian troops stationed on it's border with Mexico without taking action or would they react exactly the way Russia has done?
The war in Ukraine didn't start with the invasion, it has been decades in the making. People need to understand what led up to it, specifically NATO/EU expanding right up to Russia's borders.
Hypocrisy at best and idiocy at worst.

You need urgently to read the international press Normandygirl.

maddyone

Normandygirl of course the facts I listed are undisputed facts.
You are trying hard to justify Russia’s aggression and frankly I think that is absolutely disgusting.

You only view my comments as justifying Russia because you seem to have no idea what brought about this war in the first place. The coverage of this conflict by the UK media is the most ludicrously biased news I have seen in my lifetime and you are blinded to any facts other than Ukraine being the completely innocent victims of completely inexplicable Russian aggression. The US has quite clearly and deliberately brought about this situation. One only has to look at the military history of the US to see the utter hypocrisy being spouted about Ukraine.
Why do you think that Russia should accept 10's of thousands American troops stationed right on it's border with Ukraine as has already happened in Poland, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria? Do you believe that the US would tolerate thousands of Russian troops stationed on it's border with Mexico without taking action or would they react exactly the way Russia has done?
The war in Ukraine didn't start with the invasion, it has been decades in the making. People need to understand what led up to it, specifically NATO/EU expanding right up to Russia's borders.
Hypocrisy at best and idiocy at worst.

Fleurpepper the Royal Navy are upfront about the number of missiles on board.

Ships are easy to locate, submarines not so.

Yes, they normally carry nuclear weapons. When I was teaching in an inner city school very near the naval dockyard some years ago, a British nuclear sub came into the docks for a couple of days. Our school and other nearby schools were issued with tablets, to be kept under lock and key, to be administered to the staff and children in the event of a leak/problem. We were also given strict instructions about how to proceed in the event of such a thing happening ie close all doors and windows, do not leave the building, administer the medication to everyone in the building etc. Local homes were also issued with instructions of what to do in such an event. This was only for the area immediately adjacent to the docks. It had never happened before nor did it happen again. So the answer is yes, they carry nuclear warheads.

It reminds me about this other thread on GN, about carrying a knife. Some believe is makes you safer- most do not. Because if you have a knife, and so has the other person who is possibly or probably unhinged- it makes all much more in danger.

And when I say all, I mean all- not 'just' the knife carriers.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/dec/06/military.freedomofinformation

I do not believe that this makes us any safer. And indeed puts us at massive risk. MAD no longer makes sense- it never did.

They were carried during the Falklands war, and some were damaged. One was ship was sunk and the MOD has always refused to give any information about whether it did or not, carry nuclear weapons.

''The MoD said it was routine practice for British naval ships to carry nuclear weapons during the 1980s, but this ended in 1993. For decades, the MoD has refused to confirm or deny the presence of nuclear weapons at any particular time or place. But in her verdict on the Guardian's complaint, the ombudsman decided there was no danger to national security if the weapons were no longer in service.

She said it was difficult to envisage that the "release of information about events that happened some time ago to weapons that no longer exist could cause harm if made more widely available".

Fleurpepper

Isn't this classified info?

No

Isn't this classified info?

Fleurpepper

Do they normally carry nuclear weapons, is the question here.

Yes

Do they normally carry nuclear weapons, is the question here.

Fleurpepper

Seriously worrying stuff

www.politico.eu/article/russia-nuclear-ships-norway-ukraine-war/

Russian submarines and/or navy vessels are on constant patrol in the North Atlantic, as are U.K. and American subs/vessels

Seriously worrying stuff

www.politico.eu/article/russia-nuclear-ships-norway-ukraine-war/

Ukraine was and is defending its own internationally agreed territory.

Absolutely. It’s really not too difficult for most people to understand. A country that is aggressively invaded and has its people raped and murdered, and it’s infrastructure smashed to bits has every right to defend itself.

Casdon from the UN
The war on Ukraine is senseless in its scope, ruthless in its dimensions and limitless in its potential for global harm.
The cycle of death, destruction, dislocation and disruption must stop.
It is high time to unite and end this war.

It feels as if it’s going to be Russia who is going to end the war by escalating it to air attacks to bring about a resolution. We shall sit by and see.

ronib

Do you agree that Ukraine was fighting a civil war?

Ukraine was and is defending its own internationally agreed territory.

ronib

Casdon my post at 6.30 stated that Article 51 would not apply.

Apologies ronib you did say that after your initial post. I scan read the thread, which was careless.

Do you agree that Ukraine was fighting a civil war?

Casdon my post at 6.30 stated that Article 51 would not apply.

Normandygirl of course the facts I listed are undisputed facts.
You are trying hard to justify Russia’s aggression and frankly I think that is absolutely disgusting.

And from the UN.
unsdg.un.org/latest/announcements/russias-invasion-ukraine-violation-un-charter-un-chief-tells-security-council

He is incorrect ronib, it really surprises me that you haven’t done wider investigation yourself into this, because it doesn’t reflect any other interpretations of article 51 except Russia’s own - and of course that’s what they would say.

www.chathamhouse.org/2022/02/ukraine-debunking-russias-legal-justifications

Daisy Anne Global Research is based in Montreal, Canada and aims for the unspoken truth!
Mike Whitney writes for Global Research. You raise the question what particular axe does he grind but you can ask this for all comment as all are filtered through one ideology or another. He has conservative as a tag line.

ronib

I feel as I have been dropped down a rabbit hole. I have just read that Putin invoked United Nations Article 51 which provides legal justification for a military operation in Ukraine. Putin is in compliance with international law it seems.
www.global research.ca
Setting the record straight;stuff you should know about Ukraine.
Mike Whitney

Curious and curiouser

So who is Mike Whitney? What particular axe is he grinding?