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WW 3 ..is this the reality?

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Bea65 Thu 09-Feb-23 15:41:48

Looking at TV coverage ...I'm feeling anxious that the more we send/spend on helping Ukraine, we're cooperating am not saying we shouldn't but just thinking how others feel about how far we go..we're already in crisis with NHS and need of financial assistance for cost of living assistance and this is too much for people's mental health sad

nanna8 Thu 23-Mar-23 11:05:59

Grantanow

No. We are much further from WW3 than we were in 1962 at the height of the Cuban missile crisis when most of the Left, CND, etc., swallowed Soviet assurances there were no missiles only to be embarrassed after a few weeks by the aerial photographs showing them in place. Well handled by JFK and Robert McNamara and a careful back down by Kruschev. I doubt any jets will be sent to Ukraine by the UK unless they are tokens. Long training and limited supplies!

I don’t agree, I think we are getting horribly close especially now China is putting its oar in. We have poor leadership almost everywhere which doesn’t help.

Katie59 Sun 26-Feb-23 00:09:38

I just despair that we throw our doors open to a potential enemy in this way, we really are becoming a banana republic.

ronib Sat 25-Feb-23 22:50:10

Fleurpepper

Wallace is not helping with feeling anxious is he. Predicting the UK will be at war within a few years.

Ben Wallace as defence secretary wants a large budget so of course, he’s going to say war is likely.

MerylStreep Sat 25-Feb-23 22:00:18

No prizes for guessing who the Chinese have their sights set on.
The Ukraine.

Callistemon21 Sat 25-Feb-23 21:34:33

MerylStreep

China has its tentacles not just in Africa. They are very close to home now in the Western Balkans.

foreignaffairs.house.gov/china-regional-snapshot-western-balkans/

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/11/where-in-britain-does-china-spend-its-money

Home already.
There will be no need for a war.

Fleurpepper Sat 25-Feb-23 21:27:45

Wallace is not helping with feeling anxious is he. Predicting the UK will be at war within a few years.

MerylStreep Sat 25-Feb-23 17:49:29

China has its tentacles not just in Africa. They are very close to home now in the Western Balkans.

foreignaffairs.house.gov/china-regional-snapshot-western-balkans/

Veridica Sat 25-Feb-23 17:34:13

Anyone even considering WW3 as an option needs to look up the clip from Peter Watkins' film "The War Game" on the internet. It was commissioned in about 1965 by the BBC who then refused to show it as it was too realistic. It's till very hard to get hold of the full film. It's the bit about eyeballs melting after the flash accompanying the detonation that horrifies people the most, me included. Biden has to stop his proxy war against Russia.

Katie59 Sat 25-Feb-23 11:46:06

I watched the interview with Biden and Stoltenberg (NATO boss). Biden was supportive but Stoltenberg was much more hawkish, so dont expect a settlement anytime soon.

Grantanow Sat 25-Feb-23 11:17:12

Liz Truss in charge of the nuclear button? I can't stop laughing.

ronib Sat 25-Feb-23 09:15:22

MOnica The Independent covered a strange story about a Russian mp who wore noodles in his ears to protest against Putin. The symbolism is that Putin lied. If that’s how democracy works in Russia, there will be a shortage of noodles soon.

M0nica Sat 25-Feb-23 08:24:27

ronib Not only is Putin killing 10s of thousands of young Russian men Ukraine The best qualified and most enterprising young men, so necessary to the country and its future are fleeing the country in equal numbers and readily find jobs in Europe and the US.

I also note that Putin has, as foreseen, began, to send his tentacles out to start reoccupying other parts of the Russian empire. He is starting to ferment trouble in the Transnystrian breakaway region of Moldova. Moldova is a very small country, population 2.5 million. www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/24/moldova-dismisses-russia-claims-of-ukraine-plot-to-invade-transnistria-region

Whitewavemark2 Wed 22-Feb-23 13:22:52

I have been following Biden’s visit to Ukraine and was struck by Zelensky’s emotional reaction when Biden met the ukraine government ministers - Zelensky looked so proud before tears fell.

What a brilliant leader he is, and I think Biden is not shabby either. Biden is showing real western leadership.

Katie59 Wed 22-Feb-23 12:14:50

pascal30

Katie59

China is dangerous, they are much smarter than Russia, they have the governments of many developing countries by the throat. In addition our western lifestyles is very much indebted to Chinese manufacturing capacity, without their computer chips our industry stops.

China has proved that it can blockade Taiwan any time it chooses, could the U.S. stop that happening?.

China is completely ruthless. Just look at the way it destoyed the culture of Tibet and forcing the people to be part of China..

Not to mention Hong Kong

pascal30 Wed 22-Feb-23 11:44:09

Katie59

China is dangerous, they are much smarter than Russia, they have the governments of many developing countries by the throat. In addition our western lifestyles is very much indebted to Chinese manufacturing capacity, without their computer chips our industry stops.

China has proved that it can blockade Taiwan any time it chooses, could the U.S. stop that happening?.

China is completely ruthless. Just look at the way it destoyed the culture of Tibet and forcing the people to be part of China..

Katie59 Wed 22-Feb-23 10:30:10

nanna8

And the frightening thing is all those seemingly sane and sensible people in the audience, across many parts of Russia, including religious leaders applauded him. What are they being told exactly ?

The Russian people are being told it is a just war to liberate Russians in Ukraine, because it is a totalitarian state anyone who disagrees is thrown into prison - so few disagree.

ronib Wed 22-Feb-23 06:13:37

Nanna8 the Kremlin online has a transcript of Putin’s speech yesterday with to be continued at the end.

Can’t help but notice Russian economic expansion plans are mentioned so wondering how that might pan out. Young men are a nation’s asset so killing them off doesn’t seem that logical. Wonder how much longer this will play?

nanna8 Wed 22-Feb-23 01:47:00

And the frightening thing is all those seemingly sane and sensible people in the audience, across many parts of Russia, including religious leaders applauded him. What are they being told exactly ?

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Feb-23 16:00:53

Putin’s withdrawal from the SALT agreement is very worrying.

M0nica Tue 21-Feb-23 13:43:22

The primary, almost only, cause of war is politics. Soldiers are not politicians, or diplomats. Politicians and diplomats negotiate the treatys that end wars and have a far better idea of what limits to go to encourage negotiations, when to ratchet up and when to ratchet down.

Soldiers always make it clear that they go in when politics has failed and that it is the responsibility of those who caused the war to get us out of it.

Bea65 Tue 21-Feb-23 13:10:46

..now..KNOW..excuse spelling/typo.. he's a modern day Tyrant

Quokka Tue 21-Feb-23 12:09:47

Russia needs another revolution. They slaughtered the Tsar and his family and replaced it with this?

Animal Farm!

Bea65 Tue 21-Feb-23 10:58:10

So Putin has stated Ukraine started the War..in his long televised speech..so now we now then not just an OPs mission!

Greyduster Tue 21-Feb-23 10:53:21

Whose hands should they be in? The military? I would prefer politicians any day. I can’t agree. While I understand that politicians ultimately have to make the decisions, I have always felt a sense of profound relief that we have in the MOD a cohort of seasoned, highly knowledgeable and pragmatic service chiefs with no axe to grind, and their staffs, than here today, maybe gone tomorrow politicians with no military experience who may or may not choose to listen to those who have. I know who I would put my money on any day.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 21-Feb-23 10:26:44

I would like to think that is the case gg13 but I am not convinced.