No money in Government coffers - really?

MaizieD where are you??

Callistemon21

MaizieD where are you??

I'm here, smiling sweetly...😇

I don't think that the OP really believes the coffers are empty. Do you?

MaizieD Not at all but isn't that what we're being told...repeatedly? I was just a bit narked to see that there was money available to settle a fraud case which appears to be of the government's making. Like I said, I may be missing something here!

The basic explanation is that this government believes in small state, ie minimum public services. They don’t want to spend more money on them, because that’s going to slow down the contraction in public service employees, as less staff will leave if they earn a decent salary.

And where is the money to help Ukraine and Turkey/Syria coming from? If the Tories can find that they can find it too for the NHS and other desperate needs.

Oh they can always find money for weapons.

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Um, different budgets?

Callistemon21

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Um, different budgets?

Premium Bonds. Just keep on buying those Premium Bonds and we'll be fine

Well, you know what I'm really going to say, don't you?
We have a sovereign currency and the government can create money any time it wants to; for any purpose. (All economists know this.)

Government refusal to pay better public sector wages is economically illiterate, but an ideological choice, as others have pointed out.

Of course they will find the money to pay for things they want to pay for.

Yes, I know.

But they do set the budgets so taking from one budget, eg Defence and swapping it to Health isn't going to happen.

They can find more money for the NHS of course but not if they keep giving away PB prizes!
£50 this month (already disposed of).

Oh and the MPs pay rise and money for expenses like their domestic fuel bills.

I’m not sure about the fraud case but I do know that the U.K. owe Brussels billions because we flooded their market with cheap Chinese tat because we failed to carry out proper checks.

What pains in the asses the U.K. is.

Isn't it funny how there is always money to be found down the back of the sofa to help Ukraine and others, house illegal immigrants in luxury hotels and pay for a lavish coronation with all its mystical religious mumbo jumbo. Yet there is not the money to give essential workers a living wage or ensure that vulnerable people are not cold and hungry. These would be the first three things I would cancel if I was PM.

I have always believed in looking after your own before you dole out to strangers.

There is always one😄

What the government really mean is that the money is earmarked for their donors, their backhanders (given out under the guise of payments for speeches) etc. They have no intention of handing money over to the working people

What pains in the asses the U.K. is

There are so many things wrong with the UK but I’d still rather live here than elsewhere. This has been reinforced for me because we have just returned from a two month visit to New Zealand. We had some lovely times and some less so, but I was excited to be returning to my home. I’m an English girl born and bred, and although I love to travel and have been lucky enough to travel widely, I still love my homeland. Governments come and go, they do good and bad and the situation here at the moment is not great, but I dislike all the hatred expressed on Gransnet for our homeland. The UK is still a good place to live despite all. After our long flight my husband had a suspected DVT. He was seen and checked at the hospital the same day. Luckily it turned not to be so.

I don’t resent a penny of the aid going to Ukraine, Turkey or Syria. They need our help.

It was ever thus. I remember when I was fighting to get a school made accessible for my disabled son. No money in the coffers but you try and fight it and there is countless money to fight you with.

... well, welcome to the libertarian free-market, small (very) sate economy.

And all those who believe (without quite knowing why) that this is the 'natural' order of 'things'... who accept that "there will always be poor people" (and frequently blame them for their poverty... that 30p they have in their purse to last over two days if spent wisely could provide them with - well, bugger all, actually.

Ideology dictates how money is spent, and on what it is spent. Growth (hi Liz!) could be achieved by investing in people and services, but the rich don't get more rich via public spending.

The very people who would benefit from public spending are - some of them - quite likely to vote for a party that, in real terms, couldn't give a hoot whether they thrive or not.

I have always believed in looking after your own before you dole out to strangers

I believe that we should help other people who are in need whoever they are. There’s a parable in the Bible called the Good Samaritan which exemplifies how we should try to live. People don’t need to believe in order to understand the message which is help other people if you can.
My father wrote in my autograph book when I was a child Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He didn’t believe in God but he believed in teaching his child compassion.

...but I dislike all the hatred expressed on Gransnet for our homeland.

I think you might find it's not our homeland that anyone has a problem with. More what its government are doing to it.

I love Britain, love England - its green and pleasant countryside - but I hate that the government are allowing its waterways to be fouled and polluted.

I love London, but hate that it has now become so expensive to buy or rent a property because house prices are kept artificially high, that it has now been socially 'cleansed' of the 'undesirables'... those undesirables who still have to work in the Capital to keep its infrastructure, its roads, streets, public buildings, commercial buildings, clean - but are not welcome to live there.

We are not obliged to be 'kind' to our government(s) - they are public servants, we pay their salaries. We have a right to be critical... especially when they behave like an executive entity running the country for their benefit and that of their wealthy donors and backers.

Yes love my homeland but feel acute embarrassment at the current government. That is the asses I am talking about.

maddyone

^I have always believed in looking after your own before you dole out to strangers^

I believe that we should help other people who are in need whoever they are. There’s a parable in the Bible called the Good Samaritan which exemplifies how we should try to live. People don’t need to believe in order to understand the message which is help other people if you can.
My father wrote in my autograph book when I was a child Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He didn’t believe in God but he believed in teaching his child compassion.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He didn’t believe in God but he believed in teaching his child compassion.

❤️️

I’m glad it’s not our homeland people have a problem with because sometimes it feels like it is. Of course there’s a massive problem with the way our country is being governed at the moment, as I acknowledged that in my post above, but it will not last forever. Things will change, hopefully for the better. However dire it is, I still believe we need to help Ukraine, and now Turkey and Syria too. We would probably have not been in this situation regarding Ukraine if our previous governments had responded appropriately to the moves Putin has been making for years now, but governments wanted Russian money in London, and so we didn’t respond appropriately or effectively, and now this is where we are.
When we were returning from New Zealand last week, I was so very sad to be leaving my beloved child and grandchildren behind, but I surprised myself by how pleased and happy I was to return to my home and my country. As we circled London just before landing and I could see the well known and familiar sights, I felt quite uplifted, despite the uncertainty of the times.

It's important to help Ukraine and Turkey/Syria but if the Tories can find money for that (which would include the massive costs of replacing fighter aircraft) why can't they find it for the NHS, education, the disabled, the probation service, care for the elderly and much else the public needs? The answer is that the Tories in power don't care about ordinary people, they just want to pay as little tax as possible, cut benefits whenever they can and tell people to prepare nutritious meals for 30p. Disgusting.

maddyone

^I have always believed in looking after your own before you dole out to strangers^

I believe that we should help other people who are in need whoever they are. There’s a parable in the Bible called the Good Samaritan which exemplifies how we should try to live. People don’t need to believe in order to understand the message which is help other people if you can.
My father wrote in my autograph book when I was a child Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. He didn’t believe in God but he believed in teaching his child compassion.

Absolutely agree with this.