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Aveline

And it seems like many of them could have a decent life in any of several other countries or even in their own. Genuine asylum seekers are not the problem.

Genuine asylum seekers are treated appallingly. So if they are not the problem what's the justificaton for keeping them waiting years for their case to be decided? They are stuck in limbo unable to properly provide for their families.

Aveline

45,756 came via illegal channel crossing in 2022. A huge number. Of course it's going to take time to process those and fund their stay. Those are the ones officially counted of course. To get to UK they have to pass through several safe countries.

Crossing the Channel is not illegal. The stay wouldn't need to be funded if the processing was more rapid. And that's about 1000 per week, or 200 per working day. We have a massive post-Brexit shortfall of workers in various key areas of the economy.

And it seems like many of them could have a decent life in any of several other countries or even in their own. Genuine asylum seekers are not the problem.

Has it ever occurred to you how lucky you are to be able to swan around and spend half your life in another country? These people are human beings too - not labels. They deserve a decent life too.

growstuff you are full of hyperbolic nonsense.
I was just quoting a reputable source of information.
You always take things to extremes!

Urmstongran

43?

This is a better picture. Almost a thousand!

In the 12 months to end of June 2022, a total of 888 Albanians were returned from the UK.14 Jan 2023
www.bbc.co.uk › news › exp...
Albanian migrants: Why are they coming to the UK and how many have arrived? - BBC

888 out of how many?

They still make up a minority, but I guess you'd sink them all in the Channel!

The government's policy and actions is so wrong on so many points. If there are Albanians who are economic migrants housing them in hotels simply makes it easier for the gang bosses to find them. Because it is illegal for them to work they are forced to work for gang bosses. If they were able to work for proper employers they would contribute taxes and realise what a decent wage is. Genuine asylum seekers could begin to build a decent life for themselves, paying taxes and supporting their own family. If applications were processed more quickly economic migrants could be sent home. As it is the system is useless and encourages criminal activities.

43?

This is a better picture. Almost a thousand!

In the 12 months to end of June 2022, a total of 888 Albanians were returned from the UK.14 Jan 2023
www.bbc.co.uk › news › exp...
Albanian migrants: Why are they coming to the UK and how many have arrived? - BBC

45,756 came via illegal channel crossing in 2022. A huge number. Of course it's going to take time to process those and fund their stay. Those are the ones officially counted of course. To get to UK they have to pass through several safe countries.

“until their applications for asylum have been properly processed then no-one actually knows who is and who isn't”

There’s a disconnect here. If you have. Genuine reason to seek asylum then you’d be open and honest about your circumstances and likely have done proof of that. If you’re an economic migrant you’ll be paperless and claiming you’re from someone you’re not, waiting to slink off in the night.
Funny how so many applications fail.,,,

Casdon

It would be helpful to have the facts instead of the half heard stories from the media I think.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

Don't be daft! Half-mangled facts suit some people's agenda much better!

It would be helpful to have the facts instead of the half heard stories from the media I think.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/

Aveline

From BBC website.

43? Out of how many people currently on the waiting list for claiming asylum?

Aveline

I've seen them in the news, read about them etc same as everyone else. It would be lovely to believe that everyone who turns up on our beaches are genuine asylum seekers and poor souls but I'm afraid I'm just too old and too cynical to believe that.

Yes, so what? They're not all Albanian, they're not all "economic" migrants and many have a legitimate case for claiming asylum, but people like you seem to think it's fine to label them all the same.

From BBC website.

Oreo

And you MaizieD appear to have your head in the sand.
Haven’t you seen any interviews in Albania with young men who state every time they’re sent back they try and return as the wages are so good.They are mainly economic migrants and it’s their aim to come here and earn as much as possible.
Can’t blame them, but we can’t let everybody in here and we do give asylum to some who can prove they have a case.The figures are there if you want to look for them.

So let's process asylum seekers quickly and send those without a legitimate case back home and get those with a legitimate case settled. That doesn't justify labelling them all the same or some of the horrendous bigotry which is coming out of the woodwork.

I've seen them in the news, read about them etc same as everyone else. It would be lovely to believe that everyone who turns up on our beaches are genuine asylum seekers and poor souls but I'm afraid I'm just too old and too cynical to believe that.

Head in the sand or not, Oreo. I believe in innocent until proven guilty

Aw c’mon MaizieD that’s too convenient a statement.
Oreo is right* on this one.
You read extensively, no?

There are some ghastly people who would label everybody based on their own prejudices.

I'm sure you're not one of those Aveline.

Aveline

Any of the people arriving here in rubber boats appear to be economic migrants rather than genuine asylum seekers. It's not government propaganda. The presence of the large number of Albanian men alone give rise to concern.

How do you know? Do you have special access to their personal histories?

How on earth can you know from their appearance?

Oh, scrub my last sentence. I've found it.

Oreo

And you MaizieD appear to have your head in the sand.
Haven’t you seen any interviews in Albania with young men who state every time they’re sent back they try and return as the wages are so good.They are mainly economic migrants and it’s their aim to come here and earn as much as possible.
Can’t blame them, but we can’t let everybody in here and we do give asylum to some who can prove they have a case.The figures are there if you want to look for them.

Are all the asylum seekers in the UK from Albania?

I'll bet they aren't, but some people seem to want to label them all the same.

Oreo

And you MaizieD appear to have your head in the sand.
Haven’t you seen any interviews in Albania with young men who state every time they’re sent back they try and return as the wages are so good.They are mainly economic migrants and it’s their aim to come here and earn as much as possible.
Can’t blame them, but we can’t let everybody in here and we do give asylum to some who can prove they have a case.The figures are there if you want to look for them.

Head in the sand or not, Oreo. I believe in innocent until proven guilty.

And in the Home Office carrying out its job properly so that applications are dealt with a fast as is possible to do them properly.

What I'm puzzled about is that I've not seen anything about Albanians being sent back. Have you information about it? When, where, how many?

Unfortunately Johnson is not "out of the loop" or "gone". He is sniffing round my constituency - a safe Tory seat which he has held in the past.

And you MaizieD appear to have your head in the sand.
Haven’t you seen any interviews in Albania with young men who state every time they’re sent back they try and return as the wages are so good.They are mainly economic migrants and it’s their aim to come here and earn as much as possible.
Can’t blame them, but we can’t let everybody in here and we do give asylum to some who can prove they have a case.The figures are there if you want to look for them.