Starmer's speach this morning

Who said they didn’t like any of the Missions? Without any indication of how these laudable aims might be achieved there’s no substance.

He answered questions mentioning this very point, vegansrock and I think it's why he has set this out as a 10 year plan. Even so, they can only make progress if they start so I would be happy to see that happen and criticise once we see how they are doing - if I feel the need. Starting would be good

If they do get in after the next election, and if we are all still here, I do wonder what will be uncovered financially.

Which is absolutely deliberate at this stage in the election campaign of course Germanshepherdsmum. As a lawyer you’ll know not to reveal all your hand until the cross examination - as does Starmer. He’s playing the long game.

True Casdon but he was willing to share some of the starting points. I rather think GSM hasn't bothered to watch it before commenting on it.

For instance, when talking about the mission to "Make Britain a clean energy superpower to create jobs, cut bills and boost energy security with zero-carbon electricity by 2030, accelerating to net zero." He talked of the start being jobs in retrofitting houses for energy efficiency.

I got the impression that rather than echoing the far-right, "spend as little as possible, take your votes and run" policies for this he was looking more to the policies highlighted by people like Matt Copeland, head of policy at the charity National Energy Action, who has said:

This is not new stuff, this is extremely old stuff,” Copeland added. “We need to be looking at how we go about full-house retrofit programmes.” This needs to be underpinned by a national strategy, with investment in whole-house energy efficiency alongside training to give workforce the skills to upgrade the UK’s housing. *

This means taking even the first steps very seriously.

Source * www.newstatesman.com/spotlight/climate-energy-nature/2022/11/government-home-insulation-scheme Just to be sure we all know the bias, Marr (now working for them) described the New Statesman as writing for the "social, liberal democrat".

I knew you’d say that Casdon. He will have to reveal his hand in due course and be cross-examined on it - as will members of his shadow cabinet such as Angela Rayner. That will be interesting.

Germanshepherdsmum

I knew you’d say that Casdon. He will have to reveal his hand in due course and be cross-examined on it - as will members of his shadow cabinet such as Angela Rayner. That will be interesting.

He’s a man who does his homework and then checks it.
I can’t vouch for Angela Rayner, I do have reservations about her but I think she is hardworking, honest and sincere. Who knows if she will feature strongly in the election campaign, or the Labour Government, I guess that remains to be seen.

Germanshepherdsmum

I knew you’d say that Casdon. He will have to reveal his hand in due course and be cross-examined on it - as will members of his shadow cabinet such as Angela Rayner. That will be interesting.

He seems very aware of how the course towards an election works GSM. He will publish the LP manifesto at the appropriate time. This isn't it, as an election hasn't yet been called.

Most would see this as a start to the General Election Campaign, a campaign which some are starting to suggest the Tories will not fight. Johnson seems set only on destroying the man who followed him into the PM's seat. I imagine that's to boost his income on the "speakers" circuit. Sunak cannot pull his diverse party together and the ERG and similar little bands of disrupters don't give a damn for the country but only themselves. They are happy to do much the same as they have been for over a decade and let the country go to ruin.

As for Angela Rayner, I would guess there will be at least as many of the less snobbish variety of voters who will applaud her, as there are those who find her "not one of us". We will have to wait to see, patiently and without trying to destroy every reasoned argument just because our bias is different.

I suspect, having read a recent interview with her in which she did not come across as ready for government, AR will not be applauded. I am reminded of Diane Abbott and the cost of more policemen.

DaisyAnne I thank you, you have expressed what I think very well. And as a LP member we are taking very seriously the fact that its long term goals and plans that matter, no more "oven ready" quick fixes will either work or convince anyone. the time for detail is not now as we are still working on it, in small working groups like the one I am in, ground level up details (in my case on MH provision within the NHS. For example, we are aware that even if we "demanded and got" more resources, there are not the workers to fill the posts. so you have to work out details of training and bursaries and so on not just "ask for more money" (tho that would help as it does give places, heating, buys beds for now in the private sector as that's sometimes all there is).

So for people asking for "detail now", I'd reply that any decent realistic plan takes time and the decline is an election.

I think it's an interesting dynamic between Starmer and Raynor. Clear differences of approach but they actually work together. Starmer hasn't surrounded himself with "yes men and women", but a good shadow Cabinet with a lot of talent.

sorry, edit, quite a funny mistake, not"decline" but "deadline"

Thank you Willow. I'm not a Labour Party member or a member of any party. I like that Sunak is attacking the problems rather than gadding about making himself look important. Sadly, I think he is too late to retrieve anything.

In the same vein, I like that the LP is going to the sources of information - all sources of knowledge without prejudice, it seems, and forming a proper plan. If we have learned anything, it's that without a plan, we fail.

We should also have learned a second thing after this far-right government. Extremist governments will never, except for a very short period while the voters unravel the lies, be acceptable to more than a small percentage of the country. As this is a democracy, we really should be aiming higher than that.

Germanshepherdsmum

I suspect, having read a recent interview with her in which she did not come across as ready for government, AR will not be applauded. I am reminded of Diane Abbott and the cost of more policemen.

I am sure you will try and add to that opinion GSM.

I'd be much happier if Starmer just made two pledges.
1. No more privatisation of the NHS
2. Non-profit making cooperative companies to run energy and water provision providing reasonably priced products with any profits ploughed back into development.
He won't!
I thought his new image was funny. I could hear his advisors "Leave the jacket off, roll up your sleeves. Try to look like a working man."

All PM’s and potential PM’s have done exactly that.

I can find photos of Cameron, Johnson, Sunak and Blair all giving speeches in their shirt sleeves.

It is nothing new nor significant.

Boring. No substance. Nothing you could hold him to. Disappointing. We need an effective opposition, not a lacklustre party lead by fools.

ExperiencedNotOld

Boring. No substance. Nothing you could hold him to. Disappointing. We need an effective opposition, not a lacklustre party lead by fools.

😄😄

- just a little reminder that only 22% of the voting public agree with you.

50% say that they intend to vote Labour.

Anyone remember Luciana Berger who left Labour as a result of the anti-semitism she experienced 4 years ago?

Well Starmer wrote and invited her back and she has accepted! And will be joining Labour once again.

Good to see a party healing itself.

Oh I hadnt heard that WW, that's great news.

Great news

Luciana Berger 🇺🇦

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The Labour Party has turned a significant corner under Keir’s leadership. I’m pleased to be returning to my political home.

There are those who say that Keir Starmer has no charisma. There were those who said more or less the same about Clement Attlee, but he was the PM who gave us the welfare state and the NHS on which we all rely.
Charismatics like B. Johnson I can do without.

Yes. I’d settle for boring any day of the week if it got me back a Britain I could be proud of.

Glorianny

I'd be much happier if Starmer just made two pledges.
1. No more privatisation of the NHS
2. Non-profit making cooperative companies to run energy and water provision providing reasonably priced products with any profits ploughed back into development.
He won't!
I thought his new image was funny. I could hear his advisors "Leave the jacket off, roll up your sleeves. Try to look like a working man."

I do find that sort of comment odd. Why would the parties only have campaigns that attract one person? Why would they even, should others agree with you, try to attract just a handful of people?

They are bound to have a broader appeal than that or they would have no hope of winning an election and running a democratic country for the majority.

Glorianny

I'd be much happier if Starmer just made two pledges.
1. No more privatisation of the NHS
2. Non-profit making cooperative companies to run energy and water provision providing reasonably priced products with any profits ploughed back into development.
He won't!
I thought his new image was funny. I could hear his advisors "Leave the jacket off, roll up your sleeves. Try to look like a working man."

Ah. I should have read further. Personal attack = no reasoned argument to offer. Why is it "funny". Most male MPs don't look like models dressed by Saville Row and staged by GQ.

We are getting quite a few of these "personal attack" with nothing else to say, on this thread, I notice.

Whitewavemark2

Anyone remember Luciana Berger who left Labour as a result of the anti-semitism she experienced 4 years ago?

Well Starmer wrote and invited her back and she has accepted! And will be joining Labour once again.

Good to see a party healing itself.

Good.