Sunak has used a lot of Political Credit on sorting out the Northern Ireland Protocol deal ...

Hmm. I didn’t make that very clear.
During February when this couple renewed their private 90 day health cover they would fly back to Spain on 1st March and return to the UK at the end of May.

As I say, this is no longer allowable.

Germanshepherdsmum

Do I correctly understand that despite owning a place in Spain Urms voted Leave? I don’t understand - but then I was and am a Remainer. Neighbours of ours also own a property in Spain, where they can no longer spend so much time - they didn’t vote Leave.

I did indeed vote Leave GSM.
We bought our little apartment there 19y ago this summer. The 180 day rule has always applied - for which country has the 183 days is where one pays tax. That’s the major living country.

I think the 90/180 affected some retirees who liked to winter over in Spain, Portugal, France using all their 180 day allowance in one go. A couple I know used to do this 10y ago when newly retired. Go out to Spain for 90 days using their private insurance whilst there which then expired, so they’d come home to the UK for the month of February, purchasing another 90 day block of private insurance, returning at the end of May.

Tighter restrictions mean that isn’t possible any more. If they go out for 90 days they then have to return here for 90 days before being allowed back. So basically they can have 3 months in winter now out there and 3 months during the summer months.

I read in the Euro Weekly News last year that one main reason why the 180 days ‘in one go’ was stopped was to deter young people going over for the 6 summer months, working ‘cash in hand’ in some of the British bars. How true that is I don’t know but I’m sure (years ago) that used to happen!

MaizieD

Lots of people who owned places in Spain voted Leave, GSM. They didn't think it would make any difference to them.

I think the 'Spain really needs the British tourists' belief had much the same potency as 'German car makers will make sure the British get a good deal'

We did and it hasn’t.

I'm wondering what this concession to NI means for the people of Scotland, considering that 62% of Scots voters voted to remain in the EU. There is already much talk of Scottish Firms moving their HQs to NI in order to more easily trade with the EU.

Oreo

I think he’s trying to heal the rift tbh get a better deal for NI and become friendlier to EU officials, after all you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Pity that lesson wasn’t learned 7 years ago.

But do not make the mistake that we are in the driving seat when it comes to negotiations with any big economic block.

I think he’s trying to heal the rift tbh get a better deal for NI and become friendlier to EU officials, after all you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

MaizieD

Dare I ask if you voted Leave, Joseanne?

PM sent MaizieD.

Whitewavemark2

I’m beginning to wonder whether Sunak’s Brexit credentials are as solid as he used to have us believe. Frankly listening to him today and on other occasions more recently he certainly does not sound like a brexiter but more like Thatcher.

I think there's a few agitated Brexiters who are now calling him a Remainer - and suggesting he's sold them down the river!

I’m beginning to wonder whether Sunak’s Brexit credentials are as solid as he used to have us believe. Frankly listening to him today and on other occasions more recently he certainly does not sound like a brexiter but more like Thatcher.

Maybe Sunak is getting a grip after all!.

What we always thought

Sunak : “The UK will remain a member of the ECHR”

That shot Raab and Braverman up the proverbial. - good. It means of course that Rwanda is dead in the water. Yet more money wasted. Will they ever stop?

Dare I ask if you voted Leave, Joseanne?

Germanshepherdsmum

Probably so. Perhaps they were a little short sighted, or wanting to have their cake and eat it.

At the time we researched the ins and outs of owning our property in Europe in relation to voting Leave. We came to the conclusion that Brexit would not affect us too much because we had already been in the French system, and in addition we had private healthcare insurance. Moreover Brexit would not directly affect the inheritance tax and capital gains taxes charged in relation to our owning property over there. The 90 day visit thing didn't really concern us either because in our early/mid 50s we were both still working, so couldn't go over for long stays anyway. We were not retirees.
Not saying this was everyone's thinking who had property abroad, just a snapshot of our particular case.

Germanshepherdsmum

Probably so. Perhaps they were a little short sighted, or wanting to have their cake and eat it.

They probably believed the”cake and eat it” diatribe, they are disappointed, certainly no logic to the decision.

Just seen some likely timing for the new Agreement. It’s likely to take ‘until the summer’ (so best case is probably July?) to be ratified by all member states and then the EU Parliament, and No 10 says it will take a year after that to phase in.

Nothing makes sense any more. Doesn't Rishi Sunak understand how absurd his comment is?
Did he tell us what the cost of setting up the green and red lanes will be? Perhaps I missed that.

“Northern Ireland is in the unbelievably special position - unique position in the entire world - in having privileged access not just to the UK market… but also the EU single market” - Rishi Sunak
Bit ironic since the whole of the U.K. had this privileged access before Brexit …..

Some of us thought for ourselves didn’t we Maizie?

Whitewavemark2

I read that Johnson has put it out that he is busy reading the new framework t9 see if he can support it.

I very much doubt it

What he is most certainly doing is ringing around to see if he has any support in contesting it.

What he is most certainly doing is ringing around to see if he has any support in contesting it.

Without a doubt!

According to The Telegraph...

Just as Rishi Sunak was signing off on the final small print in the protracted negotiations over the Brexit deal for Northern Ireland, he put a call through to Boris Johnson.

A Number 10 source confirmed that the call – in the 24 hours before Monday’s announcement – was “to talk through the negotiations”.

A Tory MP ally was more direct, saying that Mr Sunak told Mr Johnson to “pipe down”.

... and, further...

For days, Westminster has been readying itself for a big intervention from Mr Johnson over the new deal. Now that the Windsor Framework is published, the time for waiting is over.

All eyes are definitely on Mr Johnson now, and what he does next. As the Cabinet minister added: “Let's see if Boris has got any balls."

I think it will depend on how much support he can drum up. He does, after all - as a Tory MP said - see himself as 'Mr Brexit'. Noting that there was a personal element to this. You don't say !

Germanshepherdsmum

Probably so. Perhaps they were a little short sighted, or wanting to have their cake and eat it.

They were assured by all the Leave campaigns that nothing would change if we left the EU.

Probably so. Perhaps they were a little short sighted, or wanting to have their cake and eat it.

Lots of people who owned places in Spain voted Leave, GSM. They didn't think it would make any difference to them.

I think the 'Spain really needs the British tourists' belief had much the same potency as 'German car makers will make sure the British get a good deal'

Do I correctly understand that despite owning a place in Spain Urms voted Leave? I don’t understand - but then I was and am a Remainer. Neighbours of ours also own a property in Spain, where they can no longer spend so much time - they didn’t vote Leave.

Sunak should threaten to go to the Country if he has much more trouble from the Tory Right Wing and the DUP. This would be a sobering thought for them all given the state of the polls. Johnson would lose his seat, among many others.

I read that Johnson has put it out that he is busy reading the new framework t9 see if he can support it.

I very much doubt it

What he is most certainly doing is ringing around to see if he has any support in contesting it.