So letting in a bit of reality - does this mean it is the beginning of the end of Brexit

Kandinsky

I’m asking the people on here, not Steve Baker or Sarah Vine.
Tell me some of the 100 ways it has adversely affected the average person.
Because as I just said, it hasn’t affected me at all.

It hasn’t affected most people in the UK is the truth of the matter.
I’m not retired, and am not wealthy, but Brexit hasn’t affected me.
Energy prices, and which have a knock on effect on food prices have affected me but that’s nothing to do with the EU.

Before Brexit DD woked in a big science research centre. Most of its funding came through an EU wide scientific reearch programme called 'Horizon'.

As the world’s biggest research programme, Horizon has been praised for enhancing collaboration, research standards, and supply chains for businesses. With Brixit that stopped. and the promised replacement to immediately follow, still hasn't appeared

The NI protocol offered the opportunity to rejoin Horizon. Sunak has turned this down. Scientists fear that a continued absence from the scheme will lead British R&D to fall behind globally. thenextweb.com/news/sunak-dims-hopes-of-rejoining-eu-horizon-research-programme Read this link and see the extent to which science in the UK may be damaged.

DD thankfully guessed what was going to happen and got out before she was pushed, but research scientists are being made redundant and research projects closed down throughout the country.,

growstuff and Whitewavemark2 have demonstrated how this works on a human, as well as scientific basis.

It may not be affecting you now Kadinsky, but GSK is a pharmaceutical company and presumable instead of funding pharmaceutical research and trialling in UK universities and hospitals. It will be done in the countries where it has facilities. This could delay the release of drugs in the UK. May be they will be for some medical problem you will have developed in the future. It could be a fitness or infirmity decision for you.

I can't afford to buy things from the UK anymore and have them sent in the post, the tax on
anything is making things ridiculously expensive.
Its a small thing but multiply it.

Just to say that because of the international status of GSK, my DD had friends in other countries but in particular a close friendship with a Spanish couple, both of whom work for GSK. TheseEU employees have definitely benefited.

Oh!! Of course the Brexit benefit - why didn’t we think of that?

One of my daughters, her husband and children now live in an EU country. They are part of the brexit brain drain.

Our country is poorer and less well regarded internationally and that affects so many of our people in so many ways.

My daughters company GSK made hundreds redundant and moved much of its plant to the EU, including Paris, Denmark and Ireland.

My daughter was lucky because she didn’t lose her job, but loads of her friends - all very highly skilled scientists - PhDs etc lost their jobs.

Kandinsky

I’m asking the people on here, not Steve Baker or Sarah Vine.
Tell me some of the 100 ways it has adversely affected the average person.
Because as I just said, it hasn’t affected me at all.

It meant my sister couldn't move to Spain, my son couldn't study in Germany and my partner has lost millions of pounds of EU funding for scientific research and EU students on his courses don't come any more. It's resulted in a friend not being able to live in the house in Germany she inherited, even though her daughter has German nationality. Another friend made 60 staff in the UK redundant and moved her business to Holland. Somebody else I know finds it more difficult (sometimes impossible) to import seeds and plants. It's more difficult/expensive to buy books from the EU and it's more hassle to post anything to an EU country.

Kandinsky

I’m asking the people on here, not Steve Baker or Sarah Vine.
Tell me some of the 100 ways it has adversely affected the average person.
Because as I just said, it hasn’t affected me at all.

You're not the centre of the universe, Kandinsky.The fact that it hasn't affected you doesn't make it everyone's experience.

If you’re a relatively well off pensioner on a protected income you’re very lucky Kandinsky. However, you’re not the average person on the street if that’s the case. This article explains some of the effects of Brexit on the British economy which affect us all to a greater or lesser degree.

www.reuters.com/markets/europe/three-years-britain-still-waits-brexit-dividend-2023-01-30/

I’m asking the people on here, not Steve Baker or Sarah Vine.
Tell me some of the 100 ways it has adversely affected the average person.
Because as I just said, it hasn’t affected me at all.

Oh it has, in 100s of ways. Ask Steve Baker and Sarah Vine.

Ask your friend Farage. I am right in remembering you supported him, yes?

it has changed people's lives

In what way?

How has the average person in the street been adversely affected by brexit?

I certainly haven’t been affected by it, & neither has anyone I know.

Fleurpepper

varian

Things have certainly changed since most intelligent people realised how many were conned by the Laave Liars. in 2016.

Yes, the grown up and intelligent thing to do. Hence the fact that people have changed their mind and quite a small proportion now believe Brexit was a huge mistake and certainly NOT what they thought they were voting for- due to all the lies.

quite a small proportion now believe Brexit was NOT a huge mistake

Oreo

Can’t believe that disgruntled Remainers are banging on about the referendum which was seven years ago.
Let it go, let it go

... in the same way that the disgruntled Eurosceptics 'let it go'... since 1975?

The referendum may have been 7 years ago - but the result only heralded the beginning of the complete change to our way of life which, if Rees-Mogg is to be believed, may not be fully appreciated for about 50 years (although that might have been a slight exaggeration on his part).

The referendum wasn't a game which we either won or lost - it has changed people's lives - mine included (and it has scuppered plans my grandson made). So I'm not going to let it go - because I believe the referendum was a farce and the results have damaged the country, and will continue to do so... especially if Johnson is allowed anywhere near the controls again.

varian

Things have certainly changed since most intelligent people realised how many were conned by the Laave Liars. in 2016.

Yes, the grown up and intelligent thing to do. Hence the fact that people have changed their mind and quite a small proportion now believe Brexit was a huge mistake and certainly NOT what they thought they were voting for- due to all the lies.

Kandinsky

*It is certainly NOT the will of the majority NOW, that is absolutely 100% sure*

So what?

It was the will of the majority at the time of the referendum.

End of.

Do you do realise what 'democracy' mean. Ask Betty Boothroyd, she knew.

Wyllow3

I think it likely that we will in the end make closer trading arrangements and a degree of freedom of movement that may resemble the past but that isn't a return to the EU. whatever is needful for businesses and our population. Son is uni lecturer and very keen we rejoin Erasmus, so much good work being done including in the fields of advancing medical knowledge. I also am keen on retaining ECHR.

Sunak seems reluctant to take up the offer to rejoin Horizon 2000, which is absolutely crazy. The UK has a real strength in areas such as genomics, hi-tech and bio-pharmacy, but we're losing our standing globally because EU neighbours are collaborating and attracting the best scientists and researchers.

Oreo

Can’t believe that disgruntled Remainers are banging on about the referendum which was seven years ago.
Let it go, let it go🎼
I voted to stay in EU and DP voted to leave, amazingly we are still a loving couple.😂

Letting it go might be your choice, Oreo, but it isn't mine.

I might have become more reconciled to the decision, but the horrors it has released over the last 7 years are a constant reminder of just how catastrophic it was.

Like varian, and many, many other people, I'm still waiting to find out just what we have gained.

Things have certainly changed since most intelligent people realised how many were conned by the Laave Liars. in 2016.

Er… it was the will of the people to join in 1973.

Things change.

That last post of mine was to UG and her fellow triumphilist Leave voters.

So what exactly, over the last seven years since you celebrated winning what we all now know to have been a fraudulent referendum, are you celebrating?

Apart from the pathetic repetition of "we won, get over it"?

Urmstongran

Dinahmo

Urmstongran

The counters and shelves were groaning with fresh fruit and veg and also meat and fish. Several varieties of apples and tomatoes

Same here this morning - in Sainsbury’s, Urmston Dinahmo! Truly.

😁

That's good - but have there been periods of empty fresh food shelves? None here.

Nope.

There have been a lot of bare shelves here, but it’s marginally better this week as you can get a restricted amount of peppers and tomatoes. Random items are still out of stock though, which they weren’t in previous years. I think the issue with shortages is that it’s very patchy across the country, as usual it will be us forgotten souls in the rural hinterlands who can’t get things, not people living in cities.

* it

Actually unit seems more London centric to me?