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Michael Gove: deduct benefits for parents whose children skip school

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Blossoming Tue 28-Feb-23 20:40:10

Reported in The Times, not sure if there’s a paywall so here’s the gist. What do you think? My own feeling is that they need to look harder about why this is happening. It’s not like my own childhood, when my mother took me to school and I went home for my midday meal then she took me back to school. Most parents now have no choice but to work and I’m not sure that’s a good thing in all cases.

Parents could lose their child benefit payments if they allow their children to play truant, under plans being pushed by Michael Gove.

Michael Gove: deduct benefits for parents whose children skip school
February 28 2023, The Times
Parents could lose their child benefit payments if they allow their children to play truant, under plans being pushed by Michael Gove.
The levelling up secretary wants the penalties to be included in an action plan on reducing antisocial behaviour that he is preparing for Rishi Sunak.
Gove said it was time to “think radically about restoring an ethic of responsibility” and argued that financial penalties would give parents an incentive to stop their children missing school and committing low-level crime.
Last month, when Sunak put Gove in charge of the plan, he said antisocial behaviour should not be seen as “inevitable or a minor crime” but as a gateway to more serious offences.
Gove said that cutting truanting would be central to stopping teenagers drifting into offences such as vandalism or graffiti, and urged police to stop “virtue signalling” and clamp down on such offences.
“We need to — particularly after Covid — get back to an absolute rigorous focus on school attendance on supporting children to be in school. It is often the case that it’s truanting or persistent absenteeism that leads to involvement in antisocial behaviour,” he told an event on the future of Conservatism organised by the Onward think tank. “One of the ideas that we floated in the coalition, which the Liberal Democrats rejected, was the idea that if children were persistently absent, that child benefit should be stopped. I think what we do need to do is to think radically about restoring an ethic of responsibility.”
Gove sought to introduce the plan while education secretary but was blocked by Nick Clegg and later pushed David Cameron to put it in the Conservative manifesto for the 2015 election. But today he said that “linking parental responsibility for attendance and good behaviour to the state” was an idea that “needs to be reconsidered again”.

It is understood that Gove is keen for the policy to be included in an action plan to be published in the next month. However, the idea has yet to be discussed with other ministers, including the education secretary, Gillian Keegan, or the work and pensions secretary, Mel Stride.

Under the coalition’s plans, parents would have faced penalties of £60 for persistent truanting, which, if not paid, would double to £120. They would have been collected through child benefit to ensure they were not ignored.
Unauthorised absences from school have been drifting up in the past two years, with an estimated 180,000 pupils skipping school every day.

Gove insisted that minor offences should not be dismissed, saying: “Low-level crime can have a high impact on the lives of many”, and that confidence in politics suffered when it was not addressed.

He said this was also true of the “confidence that investors have in communities where low-level crime and antisocial behaviour is not dealt with. And we also know that there have been incentives for some in the world of policing to virtue signal, rather than to pursue vice and that needs to change.”

In his speech, Gove also hit out at social progressives whom he refused to describe as “woke”, arguing: “I dislike the use of the word both because it can at times seem to trivialise and render as simply eccentric, and amusing what is actually an increasingly powerful and destructive force in our society. And also because I believe in being awake to genuine injustice is a distinctive part of the conservative tradition.”
Insisting “I want to bring peace to our culture wars”, Gove argued that it was “the radical social change activists who want to identify, create and magnify divisions”.

Arguing that progressives wanted to present Britain as a “pirate society” to legitimise institutions and values, he insisted: “We need to be clear that enlightenment values have to be defended. We need to be clear about objective scientific truth in human biology: emotion can’t change our chromosomes; any examination also of the historical record should be based on a balanced assessment of the evidence.”

Munira Wilson, the Liberal Democrat education spokeswoman, said: “If Michael Gove thinks that the solution to encourage children back to school is to impoverish them, then he is living in a different century.”

midgey Tue 28-Feb-23 20:42:47

Dear God!

Blossoming Tue 28-Feb-23 20:49:16

I’m surprised he hasn’t proposed transporting them, are there any suitable British colonies left?

Mollygo Tue 28-Feb-23 20:57:08

Not sure that this is the way to stop truancy.
It isn’t only the children of well off parents (who could afford to lose the benefits) who truant.
It is a problem. Frequent truancy harms children’s education and the damage caused by, and danger to, some truanting children is a major concern.

Saying he’s wrong is the easy bit and we could fill a thread with all our comments on the inappropriateness of his suggestion.

Instead, what would GNs suggest as a better way to deal with this problem.

MaizieD Tue 28-Feb-23 20:59:41

Don't parents already get fined for persistent absences? Or did that get dropped?

We suffered enough from Gove's ideas when he was Education Minister. Please don't let it start again.

MaizieD Tue 28-Feb-23 21:09:52

Instead, what would GNs suggest as a better way to deal with this problem.

Bring back the kiddie catchers?

Children are absent for so many reasons aren't they, Mollygo?. Disaffection, mental health issues, bullying, boredom because they're semi literate and can't access lessons, parental connivance, school refusers... Each case is different and I can't see that blanket punitive solutions are the answer. Perhaps put more funding into child mental health care, pastoral care and in class support?

Bring back Sure Start?

Jaxjacky Tue 28-Feb-23 21:16:37

Parents can get fined MaizieD and imprisoned., there have been 71 parents jailed. The enforcement lapsed during the pandemic, but has started again recently. The concept of benefit withdrawal was first mooted by Tony Blair in 2002. Millions have been spent on schemes to reduce truancy, there’s been little change in the figures.

GagaJo Tue 28-Feb-23 21:20:13

MaizieD

Don't parents already get fined for persistent absences? Or did that get dropped?

We suffered enough from Gove's ideas when he was Education Minister. Please don't let it start again.

Here bl**dy here.

Callistemon21 Tue 28-Feb-23 21:53:18

Blossoming

I’m surprised he hasn’t proposed transporting them, are there any suitable British colonies left?

Ooh, yes, can I go?Flights are so expensive now.

Why does he think it is only the children of those who receive benefits who truant?

^Bring back the kiddie catchers?
Do you mean Truancy Officers? They often could get to the root of the problem and liaise with parents and Social Services.
Better known as Education Welfare Officers and the welfare of the child is the priority.

They are needed more than ever now as some pupils are still having problems having spent so much time isolated at home during lockdowns and are having difficulties re-adjusting to school and socialising with others.

Callistemon21 Tue 28-Feb-23 21:54:43

Bring back Sure Start?

Well, that would be a start.
It hasnt disappeared altogether but is needed even more now.

Deedaa Tue 28-Feb-23 21:59:10

If Gove is worried about vandalism he might have a look at the activities of the Bullingdon club. But I imagine those thugs are untouchable.

ronib Tue 28-Feb-23 22:10:30

One possible solution is to try and find out what ticks the boxes for the individual pupil instead of the boxes simply being ticked.

I remember an old fashioned way of thinking around the idea of individual gifts or talents and that everyone had something to offer, develop and enjoy. Seems a huge gap between that approach and what is expected of the average six year old these days.

Also where a child is struggling at school, I think there can be physical reasons for this so check eyesight, hearing etc.

Chocolatelovinggran Tue 28-Feb-23 22:57:01

Love it Deedaa!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 28-Feb-23 23:01:17

Perhaps he could it extend the idea to absent MPs.

MaizieD Tue 28-Feb-23 23:26:55

^Bring back the kiddie catchers?

Do you mean Truancy Officers? They often could get to the root of the problem and liaise with parents and Social Services.
Better known as Education Welfare Officers and the welfare of the child is the priority.

It was a bit of a tongue in cheek statement really,*Callistemon*, but yes. I did mean the EWOs. I watched them disappear in my last few years of working in a school as the tory cuts to state spending took hold...

ronib Wed 01-Mar-23 08:42:19

MaizieD is there a way to reintroduce EWOs back into schools? Does the teaching profession not have ownership of its own practices? What are the channels of communication between teachers and government?

Why not work constructively with The Gove and point him in a better direction to the very simplistic financial penalties approach?

Mollygo Wed 01-Mar-23 09:19:45

ronib
Why not work constructively with The Gove and point him in a better direction to the very simplistic financial penalties approach?
Exactly!
GN suggestions of how it could be done better is exactly what I was hoping to see.
He, like many of us, was brought up in the era of punishing bad behaviour. In fact that still goes on now. I hear parents say, “If you don’t stop that, there’ll be no iPad/sweets/play etc. for you this evening.” That springs more readily to mind than saying, “If you stop that you can have iPad/sweets/play time.”
So bring on your ideas for constructive working, your better ways of tackling truancy, and methods you think will work. We could suggest them to Mr Gove.

ronib Wed 01-Mar-23 10:20:41

Mollygo I don’t think it’s a question of Gransnet suggesting ways ahead to Mr Gove but for the teaching profession itself to work with whoever is in government to improve outcomes for pupils.

I think the Education Secretary needs an open door approach with the teaching profession. Although I don’t mind emailing Mr Gove, as a mother and grandmother, to point out the pitfalls in his approach.

Allsorts Wed 01-Mar-23 10:33:07

It’s parents responsibility if their child misses school, they need to find out why and deal with it. They should be contacted e mail, not giving it to the child and made aware what is happening, after that a visit with the head.I worked full time as a single mom. I didn’t have any help unless I stopped work and went on social, which I wouldn’t. Started up as a married couple, the husbands then didn’t have to pay maintenance either, they knew the system.
When I was at school in the fifties there was a school board man, who if you dared to be off, would come to your house and your parents would be in trouble. Don’t know what trouble, never knew anyone that bunked off, the parents wrath would have prevented that as they would be ashamed. We expect the state to be responsible for everything, there’s no excuse these day for having children you don’t want to take responsibility for but a lot do and those children deserve protection.

Mollygo Wed 01-Mar-23 10:43:29

I don’t have a problem with emailing Mr Gove and pointing out the pitfalls either. I’m just interested to know what parents/ teachers/TA’s /governors/lawyers and all the other interested parties on GN would suggest as a better way to do it.
e.g. We used to have awards for attendance. That led to outcries from parents whose children had missed days from illness, whether genuine or where feedback from child indicated other reasons or family holidays in term time, or “you didn’t care when you were on strike”.
There are already groups who work with families where children persistently truant, though I don’t know whether there are still bodies who organise patrols to spot truants.
So what would GNs suggest as ways Mr G could deal with truanting?

Granmarderby10 Wed 01-Mar-23 10:48:36

In my imagination the School Board Man (it would have to be a man wouldn’t it) carried an enormous piece of board around with him.
I never heard of anyone being visited by this legendary official, but it was I was warned by my Mum when we we taken out of school early a couple of times in infant school at the start of the holidays that if he found out we’d be in some sort of 👿 “trouble” don’t know what though ‘cause it never happened

Forsythia Wed 01-Mar-23 10:52:36

There are many reasons children truant and one size doesn’t fit all.

There are feckless parents who don’t care if their kids go to school or not. It’s a fact. I’ve worked in schools, so I know it’s true. Whether stopping their benefits would work, who knows. Quite often, those kids are extremely disruptive in school and many of us breathed a sigh of relief when they were absent.

However, some avoid school because they are being bullied, they may be child careers, school phobia etc.

Forsythia Wed 01-Mar-23 10:53:37

Carers not careers.

ExDancer Wed 01-Mar-23 11:07:25

My grandfather, who was a farmer, was born in the 1880s and I remember him having a huge argument with my Mum (I must have been around 12 years old) about her letting my 2 brothers off school to help pick potatoes on his farm.
He kept saying that he'd 'never' gone to school and that it 'hadn't done him any harm'.
Grandad's arithmetic was faultless (!) as was his copperplate handwriting, though his grammar was atrocious smile
Seriously - there are still people who hold this kind of view of 'education'.
Mum didn't give in, she was a tough cookie.

Katie59 Wed 01-Mar-23 11:18:36

Best of luck with that!. Fine parents by all means but linking it to benefits would be a nightmare to administer and wouldn’t catch those not on benefits who skip school.