Banning a children's art work is extreme.

It's children's art work. I live in an area very near a large Jewish population. Live and let live is my motto in respect to everything. Ethnicity. Religion. Gender identity. Sexuality.

But I don't like the way Israelis are able to sway authorities the way they do. Equal representation. And the Palestinian's are the underdogs. Should we not support Ukraine because Russia carries more political weight?

Put the art work back.

What is happening in Israel is nothing short of genocide. How can a people that have suffered so so much at the hands ot others, even begin to think they can now do what they are doing to others?

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In Palestine ..

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Kristyan Benedict (Amnesty International U.K. Campaign Manager) on Twitter and comment in the Guardian Anything that humanises Palestinians, especially children from Gaza, threatens Israel’s racist system of apartheid and ongoing occupation…..hence (UKLFIs) draconian and ill-judged approach to this children’s art exhibition.
I agree with him

I guess they thought they were too political but then almost anything is political these days. What a shame, they looked pretty high standard for childrens’ art, too.

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Whitewavemark2

The FT is behind a paywall.

But you are muddying the issues.

The Israeli government is imo acting like a fascist dictatorship and I am very alarmed, and have been for years over the treatment of Palestinians and Palestine. I am absolutely conversant with the history and current situation.

However the Starmer issue has not been explained adequately imo and before I jump in with high dudgeon and criticism, I need a much better explanation than I have so far seen.

Agreed.

I feel its very inappropriate to link`your persistent anti-Starmer politics with the plates, which seem to me to be very good and bring the issues to light.

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The Palestinian problem is made much worse by the extreme religious parties holding the balance of power in the government and promoting an expansionist agenda. While that continues there is no solution, the Israelis will fight to the last Palestinian. Even Iran is cautious about antagonizing the Israelis, Egypt is being bribed by the US to leave them alone while that continues nothing will change.

That is the fault of a PR election system, Britain did not “give”the Jews a homeland they took it, they fought and won. After WW2 there was no appetite for fighting, at the same time India won independence, followed by the rest of the Empire.

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I guess they thought they were too political but then almost anything is political these days. What a shame, they looked pretty high standard for childrens’ art, too.

They are trying to cast doubt if it is the work of children. You need to read up on each plate to discover its significance which has made some Israeli’s twitchy. To us the symbolism is lost and it is just art. Personally I quite like them. Perhaps the hospital was not the best place to display them idk. If it’s an area with a large number of Jews who would recognise and be offended may be not.

I know someone whose photojournalist son was shot whilst trying to rescue a young Palestinian girl on a piece of wasteland within Palestine near the border fence. He was taken to an Israeli hospital where he eventually died. The Israeli's denied all responsibility and the only person within government who had the courage to help her was Jeremy Corben.. she wrote a book about it.. truly heartbreaking

within Gaza

Tragic situation.

We were in charge in Palestine after the war but left quickly after Israeli violence and bombing aimed at the British army.
It was our responsibility to see a fair transition and division of land but after we left inevitable chaos ensued and the Palestinians became refugees losing land and property and this land grab continues 80 years on. Check out the maps and see how this has happened over the years.
The country doesn’t even have a name now, it’s just ‘territories’. Two separate patches of land (West Bank and Gaza) completely surrounded by Israel with no rights or freedom of movement.
Read about the difficulty of getting 12 Palestinian women visas to come to the U.K. for a women’s conference next week.
Israel seems to have carte blanche to do whatever it will as no one wants to be accused of being anti semetic, Israel is powerful and does what it wants without apology or regret and the current government are even further right if that’s possible and does what it wants whether the world agrees or not, because it can.
I am sure many fair minded Jews are uncomfortable with how their neighbours are treated and hope that peace will one day prevail, Palestinians have waited too long.

You are right, there are many people of Jewish origin who are appalled about the far right Israeli Government from the moment they stared taking over Palestinian territory. what we have to watch out for in politics are those individuals - or political resolutions - who conflate being Jewish with being part of the Ultra Nationalism of the Israeli govern meant: and I've seen (and objected to) several such resolutions within the political sphere. As in a resolutions talking about "aggressive Jewish settlers"

I remember going on demonstrations when the original incursions into Palestine started in the 1970's at uni and we had many students of Jewish origin marching alongside.

I was deeply disturbed, because I was brought up in full knowledge of the horrors of WW2 and to find those who had suffered so greatly then turning into expansionists.

Wyllow3

Whitewavemark2

The FT is behind a paywall.

But you are muddying the issues.

The Israeli government is imo acting like a fascist dictatorship and I am very alarmed, and have been for years over the treatment of Palestinians and Palestine. I am absolutely conversant with the history and current situation.

However the Starmer issue has not been explained adequately imo and before I jump in with high dudgeon and criticism, I need a much better explanation than I have so far seen.

Agreed.

I feel its very inappropriate to link`your persistent anti-Starmer politics with the plates, which seem to me to be very good and bring the issues to light.

The whole issue has been brought to my notice by Jewish Voice For Labour whose website I have started to look at. Their concerns about Starmer and their vilification by the right wing of the LP seem to me to be a cause for concern. Without them I wouldn't have known about the art work.They seem to me to be fair and reasonable people wanting an alternative Jewish voice to be heard.
In your head the two issues may be entirely separate but in mine they are irrevocably linked. Yes we need a voice for Palestine and particularly Palestinian children, but there isn't any such thing in British politics today.

Glorianny many organisations outside political ones support Palestine and its children. UNICEF is involved - a quick google will show you how many organisations are involved.

My own one Quakers a faith group have always supported the cause from after the war and find schools and other projects like water. We also have local fundraisers and cultural actions.

I disagree profoundly with your comments from within the L Party, but this, as I said above, is not a thread for your personal vendetta on Starmer!

But there would be more of a voice if more people spoke up as we are doing here.

The Balfour Declaration came into mind so I looked it up and reams of information on setting up a Jewish homeland. When you read in 1919 90% of the population were not Jewish you realise it’s a likely recipe for disaster, as it’s turned out to be. They were originally thinking of setting up a Jewish state in Africa. It’s all very complicated but worth reading up on.

Yes Avalon the "compromise" was hastily conceived to "resolve" "a problem" at the end of WW2.

If you look at the original borders you can immediately see why the Israeli state moved to take the Gaza Strip in 1967. (Seaport access to mediterranean).

Wyllow3

Glorianny many organisations outside political ones support Palestine and its children. UNICEF is involved - a quick google will show you how many organisations are involved.

My own one Quakers a faith group have always supported the cause from after the war and find schools and other projects like water. We also have local fundraisers and cultural actions.

I disagree profoundly with your comments from within the L Party, but this, as I said above, is not a thread for your personal vendetta on Starmer!

I know here are many organisations Wyllow3 and I applaud all their efforts. What I don't understand is why there isn't a political party in the UK speaking up about the appalling human rights abuses. The LP as a whole is doing its best but they seem to be having more and more restrictions placed upon them and more and more people who support Palestine are being silenced.
Like Kim Johnson who simply repeated the opinions of many organisations that Israel is an apartheid state, but was forced by the Labour whip to apologise
morningstaronline.co.uk/article/b/labour-mp-forced-to-apologise-for-calling-israel-an-apartheid-state