New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

And quite frankly, I take more notice of some posters posts[dont know MerylStreep well enough on here yet] and what they say, ie anecdotal, than a lot of research.
And I speak having a close relative well into research. And research about a topic that sometimes comes up on GN.
Research may not be exactly what and how some posters think it is.

westendgirl

Meryl Streep, why post something contentious without evidence.?
Do you know what nationality these children are ? If so, how do you know ?. In fact,are they children at all or adults who are slight of build.
~Isn't it called clutching at straws ?

Whether she is right or wrong I do not know.

But, having been on the site for only two months, I keep coming across

"I think there are unwritten gransnet rules" - Gransnet set the rules not gransnetters.

"I demand/want evidence" - a poster is under no rule or obligation to post any.

"poor form" - again, irrelevant.

Life is bad/hard enough/full of rules for some, without there being an extra layer of rules on top, imposed by strangers.

I suspect though that all this has been going on for decades.

Children are classed as under 18, it is easy for a small 20yr old to claim to be under 18 to get better treatment, that is exactly what is happening, there are of course some genuinely under 18 yrs.

Meryl Streep, why post something contentious without evidence.?
Do you know what nationality these children are ? If so, how do you know ?. In fact,are they children at all or adults who are slight of build.
~Isn't it called clutching at straws ?

👏👏👏 Kandinsky.

JaneJudge
I’m probably wrong, again 😉, but the children are being used in the cannabis farms
They are more malleable than young men/ adults. They are fed and watered and given a nice smart phone to entertain themselves.
Many of these children will have grown up cultivating the plants in the huge fields in Albania.
But I have no evidence to prove this 😄

I honestly think the people who are happy to welcome endless illegals coming here in small boats should be made to pay for them ( housing, healthcare, etc etc, )
The vast majority of people in this country are fed up with the strain they’re putting on our resources - I certainly am.
Well done Tories for at least trying to do something.

I'm baffled though by Turkey, India and Egypt. Could people from these countries not book a flight? Sorry if I am being naive, I just don;t understand why they could not access travel via mainstream means

The short answer is they don’t get given the choice.

Mainstream international travel requires a passport , which lots of refugees don’t have, and often can’t get from their first country of arrival. Even when they do, for most nationalities travel to another country requires a visa, obtained in your home country before you leave it. Embassies in refugee first arrival places like Turkey don’t have the resources to offer visas as the scale that would be needed. No visa, no boarding.

The longer answer, for the EU (other countries have an equivalent) is that there is an EU Directive (the Carrier Sanctions Directive 2001/51/EC) that imposes sanctions on carriers – such as airline companies – if they transport passengers that are not in possession of valid travel documents. Fines can be up to €500k.

A clause in the Directive does say that signatory countries airlines/other carriers should take account of obligations under the 1951 Geneva Convention, which means airlines etc shouldn’t prevent asylum seekers from travelling. But - and it’s a massive but - that means check-in staff are left to decide, in just a few minutes, whether someone is a genuine asylum seeker (never illegal) or an illegal immigrant, and not surprisingly, they err on the side of caution.

To help staff decide, most EU countries have asylum/immigration experts at the airports and ports, but they can only advise, and there are no benefits to airlines etc in taking that advice, and high financial. risk if it’s wrong, so again, erring on the side of caution wins.

Germanshepherdsmum

I live in Norfolk. The Albanians are a problem in some of the poorer Norfolk and Suffolk coastal towns but also inland. Norwich for instance.

The whole eastern coast has inadequate protection. I expect Norwich is a magnet because it's densely populated - there's not much point being a drug dealer in an area where few people live.

JaneJudge

It isn't an Essex coast problem, it's a coastal areas problem (maybe more problematic on the East coast)

Agreed. I think it doesn't help that south Essex has a high population density and easy access to London and the Channel. There are also quiet beaches, where it's quite easy to land undetected. I expect it is an issue in other areas, but it just happens to be the one I was told about.

I live in Norfolk. The Albanians are a problem in some of the poorer Norfolk and Suffolk coastal towns but also inland. Norwich for instance.

It isn't an Essex coast problem, it's a coastal areas problem (maybe more problematic on the East coast)

GrannyGravy13

I live a few miles from MerylStreep and the criminal gangs are definitely predominantly Albanian.

According to a friend who works for Essex Police, the reason is that areas of South Essex and Southend have a reputation for drugs. Albanians tend to take over existing criminal networks rather than starting up new ones.

Don't shoot the messenger - that's what I was told! I suspect the access to London and the coast helps them.

Germanshepherdsmum

How can claims by people with no papers and maybe speaking no English be properly, let alone quickly, processed? There is no way of proving who they are or where they came from.

Some asylum seekers do have papers and the Home Office uses native speakers to assess where a person comes from. For example, if somebody claims to come from Afghanistan but can't speak Pashto or Dari or any of the other languages spoken in Afghanistan, alarm bells will ring. Afghans speak a number of different languages, depending where they come from. The native speakers will even be able to spot regional dialects. Moreover, many of the asylum seekers from Afghanistan can speak English. The reason they're having to seek asylum is because they worked with the British and American forces and are targets. Eritreans can often speak English too because it's taught in secondary schools.

This is an interesting report

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-63473022

I'm baffled though by Turkey, India and Egypt. Could people from these countries not book a flight? Sorry if I am being naive, I just don;t understand why they could not access travel via mainstream means

Also, I'm sorry if this has been mentioned but children from Albanian heritage are going 'missing too' and there are specific problems.

balkaninsight.com/2023/01/25/concerns-grow-about-albanian-children-missing-in-uk/

I live a few miles from MerylStreep and the criminal gangs are definitely predominantly Albanian.

The crime reports in our local newspaper all too often feature Albanians, very often in relation to growing and selling drugs and also violence. Evidence which has been placed before the court and judged to be accurate is enough for me.

MerylStreep

Wyllow3
Where’s my evidence?
Hilarious 😂 do you seriously think I’m going to post his name and address. The naivety of some posters where these people are concerned is breathtaking.

So no evidence then.

Wyllow3
Where’s my evidence?
Hilarious 😂 do you seriously think I’m going to post his name and address. The naivety of some posters where these people are concerned is breathtaking.

How can claims by people with no papers and maybe speaking no English be properly, let alone quickly, processed? There is no way of proving who they are or where they came from.

So invest in looking at claims more quickly! It's true that more claims from Albanians are rejected than from other countries, so process the claims quickly and deport them. Give visas to those with a genuine claim and get them working - many have useful skills the country needs.

I honestly think the government wants this particular "war" to rumble on until the next election - certainly until the local elections in May.

4allweknow

How do people actually immigrate to UK. Surely there is a system. The people who arrive by the small boats from especially France are not refugees, they have refuge in France, a safe country. Many will have travelled through other safe countries before embarking across the Channel illegally. Yes, they may ultimately wish to immigrate to UK and rather than risk their life and pay a smuggler thousands of pounds should they not use the money to establish citizenship in EU. and then apply for UK. Is that all too simplistic an interpretation of a refugee and how a person can apply to live in UK.

Using that logic, they should all remain in Italy, Greece, Turkey or Spain.

It's a total myth that people have to claim asylum in the first safe country they reach.

???

From the NCA one day ago.

"Most are by women and children. The National Crime Agency (NCA) has said some Albanian migrants falsely claim to be victims of trafficking, using standard letters to apply for help. In 2022, 13% of Albanians - 1,719 people - who arrived in small boats were referred to the National Referral Mechanism for modern slavery."

Where's the "all come to work in the drug trade?"

Wyllow3

MerylStreep

Coco51
Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade. Once upon a time they would smuggle cannabis into this country from their own home grown crop.
At this time it was the Vietnamese who took over buildings and grew the plants here. Now the Albanians have pushed out the Vietnamese.
Some time ago they became the leaders in cocaine smuggling and selling. They need all these young men to run these huge business's
They have such a hold I don’t think we are going to stop them, small boats or no small boats.

"Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade."

Unbelievable tarring all with the same brush. What prejudice. Where's your evidence?

The NCA.

MerylStreep

Coco51
Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade. Once upon a time they would smuggle cannabis into this country from their own home grown crop.
At this time it was the Vietnamese who took over buildings and grew the plants here. Now the Albanians have pushed out the Vietnamese.
Some time ago they became the leaders in cocaine smuggling and selling. They need all these young men to run these huge business's
They have such a hold I don’t think we are going to stop them, small boats or no small boats.

"Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade."

Unbelievable tarring all with the same brush. What prejudice. Where's your evidence?