New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Coco51
Most of those young Albanians are here to work in the drug trade. Once upon a time they would smuggle cannabis into this country from their own home grown crop.
At this time it was the Vietnamese who took over buildings and grew the plants here. Now the Albanians have pushed out the Vietnamese.
Some time ago they became the leaders in cocaine smuggling and selling. They need all these young men to run these huge business's
They have such a hold I don’t think we are going to stop them, small boats or no small boats.

Grantanow it has worked in Australia for years.

People smuggling is a big industry, the people running it don't give a toss about their clients. Its all about making money and once they're on the boats their is no recourse...disgusting trade.

Putting a slightly different spin on this, if people currently being exploited by criminal gangs can be deterred by the rule that they will not be able to apply for asylum, nor return to the UK in the future, they may think twice about risking their lives to get here by illegal means. Once in the hands of these gangs you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be ’jobs’ here organised by the same gangs forcing them into modern slavery. In these circumstances they cannot escape, complain or have any kind of protection. They will be severely traumatised but have no access to mental or physical health services, and in effect be stepping from one nightmare to another. Instead of paying millions to the French government to stop the people leaving, it would be better for the British government to arrange processing in France where there is no immediate risk of persecution. It involves a longer wait to get here, but surely that is worthwhile in the knowledge that they will be properly supported at the end of their journey. It seems that the majority of immigrants are young men coming from Albania for economic reasons and that detracts from the chances of people genuinely needing a safe haven.

4allweknow
Two of the biggest pulls when wanting to come here is language and the black economy.
It’s a lot harder to work under the radar in most other European countries.

How do people actually immigrate to UK. Surely there is a system. The people who arrive by the small boats from especially France are not refugees, they have refuge in France, a safe country. Many will have travelled through other safe countries before embarking across the Channel illegally. Yes, they may ultimately wish to immigrate to UK and rather than risk their life and pay a smuggler thousands of pounds should they not use the money to establish citizenship in EU. and then apply for UK. Is that all too simplistic an interpretation of a refugee and how a person can apply to live in UK.

According to the political editor of the I dependent:

Macron to reject plea for a small boats returns agreement after the UK disregarded his call to establish more safe and legal routes.

French sources made clear his position has not waivered. “The general assessment has not changed,” they said. “You can’t solve the issue only with more police on the coast.”

So now right-wing Tories can add the French to their ‘people to blame for our uselessness’ list.

So far, the only political support I’ve seen for this policy comes from Fascists in Italy.

they have drove that woman who fought it all, away too (Stafford hospital that is)

I haven’t seen Ben and Jerry comment on this bill.
They did tweet last year.

How will it work?
It won't.

Callistemon
Let’s never forget the horror of it. 😡

Huge improvements to the NHS, rated one of the best health services in the world by 2010

Just don't mention Stafford Hospital.

People whose relatives died in there needlessly might disagree with you.

I shall add a tub of Ben and Jerrys ice cream to my shopping this week.

Has anyone seen their tweet absolutely scathing of the governments illegal immigration bill?

I'd love to know where these migrants are going to be housed. It appears locals aren't keen on empty military bases being used:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/08/james-cleverly-criticises-plans-to-house-asylum-seekers-in-braintree

I remember when that site was used as an RAF base and the locals didn't like that either because sometimes the RAF personnel had too much to drink in the local pubs and used to chat up girls. Hmm ...

So maybe the people in deprived areas, who don't like asylum seekers being dumped on them, should ask why they're not being distributed more widely ... and why the people are having to wait so long to have their applications processed.

I guess if they voted for a Conservative MP, somebody might have some influence, like Braintree does. That couldn't be a plan, could it?

Maizie D. Oh I remember PFI well. It seemed like a brilliant policy at the time, but it was not what it seemed particularly with regard to hospitals who are tied into the companies who built them. They are paying hugely over the odds for stuff they need to buy. You have looked into this I presume. The NHS is not the best service in the world at all. Try Australia if you are of pensionable age. When I was there for my 80th birthday I had double pneumonia plus a heart attack ( I have chronic heart disease) I was not expected to live but my treatment by doctors and staff was impeccable and when I left my bill was nil because Australia has an agreement with UK to treat pensioners free! Many countries have good medical treatment and if there was a league table I am not sure where UK would be. As Labour is so sure to win the next general election, we will wait and see.

Read the thread MaizieD it really is self explanatory leafing on from libra10’s post…

This article isn’t from the The Daily Mail but from Amnesty International.
It describes the camps in Libya supported by the eu.

www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/01/libya-eu-conditions-remain-hellish-as-eu-marks-5-years-of-cooperation-agreements/

both Conservative and Labour govts have been unable to improve the infrastructure… housing, medical services , schools for a start.

You live in a completely different universe from me, Anniel

Don't you recall the big fuss about PFI during the Labour government? New schools and new hospitals all over the place... Huge improvements to the NHS, rated one of the best health services in the world by 2010. Why didn't the tories build on that? Because they don't believe in state spending so they cut everything back. To the bone. Don't blame Labour for our creaking infrastructure...

MaizieD so now anyone who disagrees with you snd WW2 is a liar?

How you reach that conclusion is a mystery to me, Anniel

GrannyGravy13

MaizieD

I should think Maizie is fed up of explaining. It becomes repetitive.
It suits a certain agenda to believe this.

She is, Farzanah. I suspect everyone who has explained it is fed up...

This really is the post truth era, isn't it?

It is due to the fact that every politician regardless of party in every interview parrots the same line something like the following:-

the coffers are empty, to have this that or the other we will have to cut some services/jobs etc. , or put up taxes

So no we are not living in a ^post truth era^

I'm not sure I follow what you are saying there, GG13

What has 'empty coffers' (which, indeed, is not true) got to do with the post truth era?

What about all these folks parroting 'first safe country', 'illegals', 'overcrowded', etc. etc.? Not true, but, heigh ho...

MaizieD so now anyone who disagrees with you snd WW2 is a liar? Many people who disagree with you will not post because of some very unkinf remarks you make. So we are the 5th richest country in the world and yet both Conservative and Labour govts have been unable to improve the infrastructure… housing, medical services , schools for a start. People do not think we are rich and if govts in tbe countries from countries where people flee were not so corrupt or governed by an illiberal religion then the world would be a better place. I can tell you that living in London is not like that in areas not so overpopulated. Street homeless numbrrs are huge, Hospitals are overcrowded and school places of choice are very poor. Add public transport and we are overpopulated. France and Germany are so much bigger than UK so they have room. Maybe Scotland and Counties outside London can do more. One thing i do agree with you about and that is the brave interpreters who helped us in Afghanistan and Iraq should have been rescued by us. We had an obligation to them.

MaizieD

^I should think Maizie is fed up of explaining. It becomes repetitive.^
It suits a certain agenda to believe this.

She is, Farzanah. I suspect everyone who has explained it is fed up...

This really is the post truth era, isn't it?

It is due to the fact that every politician regardless of party in every interview parrots the same line something like the following:-

the coffers are empty, to have this that or the other we will have to cut some services/jobs etc. , or put up taxes

So no we are not living in a post truth era

I should think Maizie is fed up of explaining. It becomes repetitive.
It suits a certain agenda to believe this.

She is, Farzanah. I suspect everyone who has explained it is fed up...

This really is the post truth era, isn't it?

hallgreenmiss

*Can anyone explain what safe routes are available*
Even Suella Braverman couldn’t answer that when asked by a parliamentary committee.

There aren’t any

Can anyone explain what safe routes are available
Even Suella Braverman couldn’t answer that when asked by a parliamentary committee.

Cossy

Incidentally, there’s nothing wrong with legitimate economic migrates, us Brits have done this for years, working and living in many places abroad and calling ourselves ex-pats !!!

Also there is a proportion of Albanians coming here but by no means the large proportion the media/govt would have us believe and whilst they are economic migrants, most of them are NOT criminals other than entering this country illegally. We are also nowhere near taking as many refugees as at least 10 other countries ahead of us. Lots and lots of propaganda spread about asylum seekers and much racism around this subject. We have plenty of resources left in this country to look after both our “own” people and offer asylum to a proportion of others. Much of our land is still owned by the crown and our governments choose how to waste our taxpayers cash ! We are still in the top ten richest economic countries and should show more compassion

Well said Cossy!