New immigration bill - how on earth will it work?

Maudi

14:52libra10
"@ExperiencedNotOld makes some valid points about many of these illegal asylum seekers. They believe they will be well looked after in the UK, they know what to say and have their own agenda.

Following a harsh pandemic and the war in Ukraine, we should concentrate on looking after our own people first before trying to fix world problems.

The country is not big enough, we have enormous National debt, not enough housing, schools, or NHS capabilities.

Where is the money going to come from to resolve all these matters?"

*I agree libra10 with you it can't go on something needs to be done and ExperiencedNotOld did indeed make some valid points which I agree with, I particularly liked ExperiencedNotOld comment re 'Obnoxious Prig and her cohorts' she was spot on there*

The UK is the fifth richest country in the world.

Some appalling attitudes have been displayed in the posts above, some people’s ignorance is only matched by their lack of compassion. Shame on you.

15:41ordinarygirl

Don't worry ordinarygirl the illegals all pass through CareforCalais the last link so it would seem in the smugglers chain and they certainly know about the Illegal Migration Bill let's hope they tell them and they stay in France. Fingers crossed 🤞😊

14:52libra10
"@ExperiencedNotOld makes some valid points about many of these illegal asylum seekers. They believe they will be well looked after in the UK, they know what to say and have their own agenda.

Following a harsh pandemic and the war in Ukraine, we should concentrate on looking after our own people first before trying to fix world problems.

The country is not big enough, we have enormous National debt, not enough housing, schools, or NHS capabilities.

Where is the money going to come from to resolve all these matters?"

I agree libra10 with you it can't go on something needs to be done and ExperiencedNotOld did indeed make some valid points which I agree with, I particularly liked ExperiencedNotOld comment re 'Obnoxious Prig and her cohorts' she was spot on there

Whitewavemark2

libra10

@ExperiencedNotOld makes some valid points about many of these illegal asylum seekers. They believe they will be well looked after in the UK, they know what to say and have their own agenda.

Following a harsh pandemic and the war in Ukraine, we should concentrate on looking after our own people first before trying to fix world problems.

The country is not big enough, we have enormous National debt, not enough housing, schools, or NHS capabilities.

Where is the money going to come from to resolve all these matters?

Over to you maizie 😄😄

I should think Maizie is fed up of explaining. It becomes repetitive.
It suits a certain agenda to believe this.

Linneker is way out of line talking about concentration camps, the plan is to use military barracks to house single men, Scampton and Wethersfield have been mentioned no doubt others are available, the few families will still use hotels as now.

Obviously they will not like being put in guarded barracks in the country they thought was going to be milk and honey, they will probably think life in Albania wasn’t so bad after all.

I don’t suppose that will satisfy those on GN that think all migrants are nice people, the Albanians and other illegals should be allowed to roam free.

The belief is that the people trying to get here will somehow learn of the new policy. Yes it is likely that people will have a phone or internet but unless they actively look for the information then it is unlikely that they will know of the permanent exclusion . I give the example that unless I actually want to know about the weather in another area then I have no way of knowing .
I wish somebody would explain why the government will not collaborate with the French as it would be a "lack of sovereignty ".

We are an island we can’t take in everyone unless any of you are volunteering to house these young fighting age men with no checks into your house with your family and grandchildren. It’s got nothing to do with leaving eu or who you voted for. This is our country and we should beable to decide who we allow to live here and who we don’t. Why should these people take priority over ppl born here. As a vets mum I’m disgusted that we have our own vets on the streets and yet these ppl are in 4star hotels. Ppl of uk are struggling and getting angry about this.

libra10

@ExperiencedNotOld makes some valid points about many of these illegal asylum seekers. They believe they will be well looked after in the UK, they know what to say and have their own agenda.

Following a harsh pandemic and the war in Ukraine, we should concentrate on looking after our own people first before trying to fix world problems.

The country is not big enough, we have enormous National debt, not enough housing, schools, or NHS capabilities.

Where is the money going to come from to resolve all these matters?

Over to you maizie 😄😄

@ExperiencedNotOld makes some valid points about many of these illegal asylum seekers. They believe they will be well looked after in the UK, they know what to say and have their own agenda.

Following a harsh pandemic and the war in Ukraine, we should concentrate on looking after our own people first before trying to fix world problems.

The country is not big enough, we have enormous National debt, not enough housing, schools, or NHS capabilities.

Where is the money going to come from to resolve all these matters?

orly

Kandinsky

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

or Gary Lineker could take them in.....

Read my earlier posts.

He has, does and is planning to do so again.

My anger ( and I am angry) is about remarks of Gary Lineker and the use of the words Concentration Camps to describe anything in the UK.

You know, of course, that it was the British who 'invented' concentration camps during the Boer War in south Africa.
To equate the term with the German concentration camps is understandable, but hyperbolic.
This is a definition of 'concentration camp'

noun
1)A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group the government has identified as suspect.

2)A place or situation characterized by extremely harsh conditions.

3) A camp where large numbers of persons—such as political prisoners, prisoners of war, refugees—are detained for the purpose of concentrating them in one place.

I think that the government proposals qualify under the first definition and probably under the third.

Gary Linneker was pointing out the similarity of the language used by our government in relation to asylum seekers to the language used in 1930s Germany, principally about Jews, but also about anyone considered to be enemies of the State, or People. Can you show how it is different?

My main concern is that these refugees spend thousands on sailing on unsafe boats when they could cross into Europe and catch a flight to UK much more cheaply.

If they could easily get a flight (or ferry) from Europe to the UK I think they would do it. Some asylum seekers do come in on temporary visas and then claim asylum.

Unfortunately for many they don't have visas because they don't have access to the means to apply for them and some don't have passports (not everyone does have one and if you're fleeing for your life you don't have the time or opportunity to obtain one; that's assuming that the country you're fleeing from would even let you have one).

And I think some asylum seekers who are worried they are coming from a safe country will not use that safe route and will destroy their passports and personal papers.

Their is nothing in the international Refugee Conventions that stipulates that they must stay in the first safe country they reach. Nothing at all.

Destroying papers is a problem, I grant you, but not sufficient to demonise all asylum seekers

British Govts are at fault and the work rate in the Home Office is painfully slow.

And who has been in power for 13 years and done nothing to rectify this?

We need to have border control having centres in France to administer the system but we have never provided the funding which is necessary.

You are right but it's been the UK government's choice.

And by the way, I read in the DT that Labour deported more illegal immigrants than the Conservatives ever have…

Exactly...

I think more votes for the tories might be gained from a concerted effort to make sure all of the Iraquis and Afghans who helped our forces during the war are brought safely over here. They put their lives and those of their families on the line to help our country and we are not treating them fairly.
Seems even the govt think these new rules are contrary to the ECHR so unlikely to work and if we withdraw from the ECHR that will cause more problems with trade and world standing.
Almost pointless seeking more assistance from France who are just interested in seeing the back of the camps on their shores.
Have long thought cross party agreement on this is the only way to get to the bottom of the matter without any of the usual political point scoring.
We are a small country and our resources are finite and already stretched in the way of health, housing, school places and the economy to name just a few and something has to be done but in as humane and sensible way as possible.

As a Conservative, I do not believe this legislation will succeed. I think the legal drafting will not be good enough nor will it sail through the Parliament. However, both major parties are trying to win the General Election and the bill for housing asylum seekers is becoming a national issue, so that is why both parties will have to make new policies. My issue here is flinging about the term racist at anyone who does not support the position of WWM2 and some others. It is not polite and is not helpful. The Brexit vote was democratic however you think the people who voted that way were mislead
My anger ( and I am angry) is about remarks of Gary Lineker and the use of the words Concentration Camps to describe anything in the UK. I saw the films of what happened straight after the War as it was thought we needed to know. I have never forgotten. I since visited Auscwitz (spelling) Birkenau and then while in Germany I visited Dachau. I cannot express the horror of what I saw. So don’t you see that no hotels or holding centres should be described this way.. I simply do not understand why Lineker compares the government with Nazism.
My main concern is that these refugees spend thousands on sailing on unsafe boats when they could cross into Europe and catch a flight to UK much more cheaply. And I think some asylum seekers who are worried they are coming from a safe country will not use that safe route and will destroy their passports and personal papers. British Govts are at fault and the work rate in the Home Office is painfully slow. We need to have border control having centres in France to administer the system but we have never provided the funding which is necessary. And by the way, I read in the DT that Labour deported more illegal immigrants than the Conservatives ever have…

From the Guardian today:

“Where does France lay the blame?
Besides the smugglers, Paris sees the UK government’s decision to close most legal routes for asylum seekers to reach the UK or to register their claims from outside the country as a major contributing factor.

Darmanin has also blamed the lack of national identity cards and a poorly controlled labour market in Britain, saying the ease with which people can work illegally is a significant pull factor, and criticised Britain’s immigration procedures.”

So ... ID cards anyone??

orly

Kandinsky

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

or Gary Lineker could take them in.....

Gary Lineker has hosted refugees in his home I believe from Pakistan and Turkey.

The economic migrants especially those brought here for criminal purposes should be sent back

I'm not for one moment saying that they shouldn't be, Katie59. But they have to get here first, mixed up with the bona fide refugees as they are,, and be processed before we can send them back.

If the government would look at sensible solutions, like processing centres in France, as the French offered and setting on and training more staff to process applications so that they weren't left in limbo for so long, then the demand for smugglers would be greatly reduced, if not stopped altogether and we wouldn't have to spend so much money housing people while they wait to be dealt with.

It saddens me that people don't seem to understand that legal solutions to the problem exist and that the government is ignoring them because stirring up anti refugee feelings is much more politically convenient for them.

Thankyou for that link Wyllow, and we’ll said Cossy (today, 11.34).

“Just thank your lucky stars, Katie59 that you will never be in their position. Stripped of home, livelihood and dehumanised.”

How on earth can you”humanise” tens of thousands, I have every sympathy with those that are displaced as individuals and the genuine refugees are not a problem for me.

The economic migrants especially those brought here for criminal purposes should be sent back.

orly

Kandinsky

Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

or Gary Lineker could take them in.....

They're going to put them in a concentration camp. You'll like that, won't you?

Only about 0.6% of our popn are refugees and asylum seekers and going by the number of hospitality and crop picking jobs going we need them! Don't believe all you read in the media who love nothing better than to stir up trouble, I'm not saying there aren't problems that need solving but don't panic!

Kandinsky

*Can anyone explain where all these people are going to be held whilst waiting export*

Maybe they’ll build a great big building next to your house Whitewavemark2?

you could offer to house & feed some of them too? help keep costs down.

I’m sure you’d be only too delighted.

or Gary Lineker could take them in.....

The new bill will never work, and the people that had to write it know that but their hands are tide full stop.

“Boat people” Very dehumanising.

Yes I heard it DaisyAnne and I suspect similar happens here, especially in the press.

Milliedog

At the moment, we are spending £5.6 million a DAY housing illegal migrants in hotels. This is unsustainable. We have accepted many people escaping Hong Kong and refugees from Ukraine and we should accept as many genuine refugees as possible, but we cannot accept everyone who wants to come here. There is a huge difference between 'need' and 'want'. Boat people are not being persecuted by the Taliban or anyone else in France or Germany etc. And the largest group of boat people are from Albania...
Our system has got to have a complete overhaul, but until that's done, we should send the boat people back to where they have come from. If we don't get a grip on this, we might just as well build a bridge and let the whole world come.

Totally and absolutely agree with you Milliedog!